The 2018 Player Movement Thread

Discussion in 'Know Your Enemy' started by TMC, Jun 30, 2018.

  1. Quazza

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    Houston low balling Capella . The sides are reportedly "40 million apart "

    God i hope he walks
     
  2. TMC

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    He's restricted. They're just taking advantage of a slow market in order to sign him to a friendly deal.

    If I'm Capela, I'd sign the qualifying offer and try to get a big contract next year, when a lot of teams will have cap room. It's risky, tho. A poor season or a bad injury and you're stuck with an uncertain market and no security... That's why Nurkic signed a team-friendly deal to stay with Portland.
     
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    - James Ennis signs a two-year deal with Houston, the second a player option. He's going to replace some of the athleticism in the wings they lost, I think it's a cheap but decent fix.

    - Davis Bertans re-signs with the Spurs, two-years, $14.5 million. Should have an increased role this year.
     
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    Finally a day with some moves:

    - Isaiah Thomas joins the Nuggets on a one-year, $2 million deal. And to think that he was about to sign a huge extension with Boston right before they traded for Kyrie... that's why you can't blame players for signing big deals whenever they get the chance. In any case, it's a low risk move for Denver than might be a great one. They're gonna use him to score from the bench and Denver is a great situation for him to prove he's back (or close) to the player he was in Boston.

    - More Denver moves, with the Nuggets trading Faried, Darrell Arthur, a 2019 protected first round pick and a 2020 second round pick to the Nets for Isaiah Whitehead, who will be waived. Brooklyn gets some picks for the trouble, Denver gets much needed cap (and lux tax) relief, saving up to $43 million.

    - Wayne Ellington, the guy I wanted the Dubs to sign, is back with Miami. It's a one-year, $6.27 million deal. Good signing for Miami and I'm guessing he's gonna have a great year and much more of a market next season.

    - Also, Brooklyn has traded Jeremy Lin and a 2025 second round pick, plus the rights to swap picks in 2023, to Atlanta for a 2020 second round pick, and the rights to a French guy I've never seen play. Seems like Atlanta is going with Lin and Trae Young at PG and is trying to find a trade partner for Schroder.
     
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    Sad for Thomas, he was about to get like $100 mil or more in Boston...i really hope he has a good year and gets a big contract in 2019.
     
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    - Jabari Parker is a Bull. Chicago signed him to a two-year, $40 million deal, although it's basically a one-year, $20 million deal, as the second year is a team option. They plan to use him as their starting SF. Hopefully, he'll find a way to stay healthy, because he's got a ton of talent and is still young at 23 years old.

    - Channing Frye is back with the Cavs, on a one-year, $2.4 million deal. Why? I don't know. Maybe they don't know Lebron has already signed his deal with LA?
     
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    - Shabazz Napier signs with Brooklyn. It's a two-year deal with a team option for the second season. He's gonna be part of a backcourt with D'Angelo Russell, Spencer Dinwiddie and Joe Harris, and all of those guys should play more than him.
     
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    - Dante Cunningham signs a one-year deal with the Spurs. Just depth to replace Kyle Anderson.
     
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    - Nemanja Bjelica, after agreeing to sign with the Sixers, spurns Philly, opting for staying in Europe instead. You don't do that once you've agreed, but hey, not everybody shares the same values.

    - Memphis has acquired Garrett Temple from Sacramento, with the Kings getting Ben McLemore (who left Sacramento a year ago), Deyonta Davis, cash and a 2021 second round pick. Seems like a lot for a guy like Temple, who is a savvy vet, but won't really make them so much better.
     
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    This is not done yet, but it's too big to not talk about it... Toronto is finalizing a deal for Kawhi. It's unclear who else or what picks are involved, but Kawhi is going to Toronto, with Demar DeRozan moving to San Antonio.

    I love Masai, but it's a huge risk with the potential to throw Toronto into rebuilding in a year. DeRozan loved Toronto and was signed long term. Kawhi has already said he's going to sign with the Lakers or Clippers next season, and it's not particularly thrilled about having to move to Toronto for next season, having told them he has absolutely no desire to play for the Raptors.

    It's always been hard for Toronto to sign free agents, although the perception of the franchise and the city of Toronto seems to be changing a bit lately. But if Kawhi has told them he won't re-sign and doesn't want to play for them, like sources say, the deal seems like a lose-lose proposition for Toronto. Unless, somehow, they can include Ibaka's or Lowry's deal in the trade (unlikely) and clear cap space...

    As for Kawhi, I loved him back in the day, but, according to Spurs sources, his entourage has changed him. In any case, he's behaving like a spoiled brat lately.
     
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    It's a done deal, Kawhi is a Raptor. Toronto gets Kawhi and Danny Green and San Antonio gets DeMar DeRozan, Jakob Poetl and a 2019 first round pick, top 20 protected, that will become two second rounders if not conveyed after that year.

    Let's not talk about the package, it's obvious Kawhi is the big prize here, and San Antonio went for this deal because nobody else was willing to trade them a good player, just picks. Why? Because Kawhi has already said he's leaving after one year!!!

    So Kawhi is pissed. Toronto has lost DeRozan and Poetl (I think Poetl can be a starting center in the NBA, he just couldn't get the minutes in the crowded Toronto frontcourt, and Valanciunas is a much better player) and the pick is going to San Antonio as long as Kawhi plays.

    But is it worth it for Toronto? I say no. I think Kawhi is not Paul George and he's set on moving to LA after the season, and he's already told them he's doesn't want to play for the Raptors. And, if things go wrong, you've lost your first rounder next year. It's a huge risk that, at this point, looks like it's not gonna pan out, and will have Toronto out of the playoffs and starting a new rebuilding in a couple of seasons, with no assets whatsoever.

    Then again, maybe things go as the Raptors expect and they make it out of the East and that's enough to convince Kawhi to re-sign for a sh*tload of money and remain a Raptor. Then it'll be worth it. But I don't think this Raptors team will win the East. They've made an extremely risky move, betting that a trip to the finals (where they should lose to us) and a super-max deal is going to be enough to change Kawhi's mind. I just don't think it'll matter.
     
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    I think Toronto realized that they couldn't go far with DeRozan as their #1 option. So it clears up that space, while they can add Kawhi to show the fanbase that the move was done in an effort to upgrade. I don't think Kawhi will stay, but if he's healthy, i think it does make the Raptors a better overall team. Then when he leaves, they can look to fill that spot with someone else. At least they can say that they made a trade to improve the team, but that player just didn't want to stay.
     
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    What happened to Kawhi saying he doesn't want to play with LeBron?
    What he decides next summer will depend on three things.
    How well the Raptors do this season.
    How well they do at embracing Kawhi into their team culture (if there is any), convincing him he's found a home.
    And how the Lakers look this year.
     
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    That's the problem, they had a great culture there, except they couldn't beat LeBron. But they were competitive and won the east last year during the regular season. Now that's gone.

    The Raptors problems are bad contracts to Ibaka (untradable and unable to contribute, should lose his starting spot to Siakam this year) and Lowry (who has had trouble staying healthy, and offensively hasn't looked the same, although he's a leader and has been great on defense), not DeRozan. Actually, he was the one player that wanted to remain with the team instead of going back to the USA, and they had to overpay a lot to keep Lowry who's on the wrong side of his career. At least they locked DeRozan for his best years...

    So that's gone. And you've got a disgruntled superstar that wants to play in LA and is having to move to a city that it's the complete opposite of LA.

    Of course Kawhi is the better player. But I don't know what Kawhi they're going to get. Wouldn't surprise me if he keeps having minor injuries and shuts down the season soon. He knows there's a max offer waiting for him next year.

    Also, he never said he doesn't want to play with LeBron. He said he wants to play in LA, and doesn't matter if it's with LeBron for theLakers or for the Clippers.

    The Raptors will do as well as Kawhi allows them to. They have depth, a few good young players (particularly Van Vleet) and savvy vets. If Kawhi plays at MVP level, they will compete for the East. If he decides he doesn't give a f*ck, they will have trouble making the playoffs. I guess they're not so sure what Kawhi they're getting and decided to put such a big protection into the first rounder they're sending to San Antonio, just in case they are in the lottery.

    I don't think the Lakers season will matter much. I'm pretty sure Kawhi will sign there next season.
     
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    Did Kawhi actually say that? i don't remember hearing him specifically say that. I don't think how well the Raptors do has anything to do with his decision. Though if he does feel comfortable there, and they exceed his seemingly low expectations, then that could impact it.
     
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    There were several articles out earlier this month reporting from “nba insiders” that the Lebron acquisition may hinder the Lakers chances because Kawhi doesn’t want to deal with Lebron and the circus that surrounds him.
     
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    I just don't see that being the deciding factor. I think he will play where he feels he wants to play.
     
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    Here’s the thing. We know the Warriors tremendous success has an end or a life cycle to it. Someone will come along and beat them sooner or later. I just cannot stand that it might be the Lakers. Anyone but them. Making it even worse, Lebron too...
    if they end up beating us down the road, my head might explode.

    Then again, if they give us a run for our money and Warriors win, it will be incredibly satisfying and a sweet victory.
     
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    Alright, so Kawhi is saying he doesn't want to play for Toronto and that he might sit out the whole season (not directly, of course, but that same entourage that got him out of the Spurs are hinting at that already). A guy that last week was considering attending USA Basketball mini-camp in Vegas.

    If that happens (and only if it happens, because I think it's a ploy to force the Raptors into trading him), I hope the NBA doctors take a good look at his injury and, if they don't find a reason to not play, I hope the league bans him for life. He bailed on the Spurs last season, and wants to do it all over again with the Raptors? You shouldn't have a place in this league, no matter how talented you are. It's legit to tell them you won't re-sign and you don't want to play for them to try to not get traded there, it's legit to leave after the season and made them look like fools for making that deal just to go straight into rebuilding mode, but to the point of sitting out a whole season when you're healthy and under contract? The NBA should not allow that kind of bullshit.


    Oh, and Masai, whom I respected more than any other GM in the league not named Bob Myers, lied to DeRozan's face telling him they were never going to trade him. You don't do that, you go straight and tell him you don't wanna trade him and would love to keep him for his whole career but there are no assurances in this league or whatever, but don't tell him you're not gonna do it when you've been talking with the Spurs for a week about this deal.

    Toronto's front office is looking bad. Kawhi is looking like the spoiled brat I talked about above. And this is going to end badly.

    It might not seem like a great haul for a guy like Kawhi, but I'm sure the Spurs are relieved of getting out of that situation...
     
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