So.........London Is Burning Again.

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  1. Bigstrads

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    Not sure how much of this you guys are seeing over there..............but this country is in chaos right now.

    It all started with a scum bag, smack dealing, history of gun use, history of serious violence, gang king pin being shot by our tactical unit in North London last week..............he was carrying a gun, shots were exchanged and he was shot twice in the head (he is whats called a Level 1 Trident Nominal, which means he is of the highest risk for violence and gun crime).

    When the family went to the local station to speak with Chief super to get answers, and didnt get it............riots broke out.

    The first wave of riots were probably about 50% to do with the actual incident and the rest were just using it as an excuse to loot and burn sh*t down.

    Now, over the last 5 days, every day, its spread across the country............in totally un-related places like up north in Manchester and Birmingham, where the "issue" has no associations what so ever.

    My childhood town, where my mum and dad still live, was turned over last night............they are ok thankfully (the hospital where my mum still is has been shut down to all visitors and is for emergencies only).

    And basically all the worst areas of London, and basically any major city across the whole country are flooded with these pathetic c*nts............a guy was shot in my old home town last night too.

    My bro Christain (Clackman here) is of course right in the thick of it, being an officer in London..........pulling 20 hour shifts to try and keep the peace and prevent more lives lost.
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    So yeah, just making sure you all know we are ok.............although there are rumours it might be spreading down to where we are on the coast, because its spread further away from London than we are already.
     
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    Yeah, been following the riots quite a bit. But seems like the worse is over already, and the police force has more than doubled the number of agents on the streets. Everything should quiet down in the next few days.

    Hopefully nothing will happen in Brighton, Bigs. Wouldn't make any sense once London is peaceful again, so if nothing happens tonight, I'd say the riots are over. From what I've seen, looks like that might be the case.
     
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    yeah man.. It's frightening. Hope you are ok!! and there's an end soon!!
     
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    Well, its kicking off in Manchester and Birmingham RIGHT NOW.............which is about 10 times the distance from London than we are.

    I dont think it will spread down here but equally...........I dont think it is going to stop tonight.

    Christian has worked 70 hours in 4 days............and he is being called in tonight, as is every single officer in the London.

    The problem is that these riots and all the crap thats going on, is nothing to do with the issue that started............so these c*nts are doing it for the sake of it, so why would they stop?

    Weve got all the f*cking activist group leaders coming out from under their rocks, saying this is a revolution from the poor and discriminated communities around the country.............f*cking bull sh*t, its a by product of the bored, disillusioned, no consequence youth of today...........they have no f*cking idea what a revolution is nor what it would mean to do partake in one. Its simple, these f*ck wit inbreed c*nts are simply doing whatever the f*ck they want, because they have an excuse too..........end of argument.

    If it does start down here, Im going vigilante to protect my people and property.............also, Im going to London on Thursday to bring my mum home from hospital, which will take me through Croydon (hit last night badly, pretty surreal watching places I grew up around going up in flames) and then onto Tooting, near where some of the worst stuff has been happening.
     
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    Just had a text from Christian............his words =

    "Im cool man, all my rest days are cancelled. Were on raids last night, greatest show in London and I got to smash up a looter c*nt!".

    :rock: :rock: :rock: :evil: :evil: :evil: :rock: :rock: :rock:
     
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    A Police station in Nottingham (again, nowhere near anything related to anything) has just this minute been firebombed by a group of 40+ c*nts.
     
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    Ok.............minutes ago.............a house about 10 minutes from us has been set alight (no confirmation about what the cause is) and there is Police intel that groups are meeting on the outskirts of town right now.

    Ohh my my my.............the baton and my steel baseball bat are at the ready. :evil:
     
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    wow. that is crazy man. wft is wrong with people!!!
     
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    Man, guys.............got to see some of the devastation from all this over the weekend. :shock:

    Some of it a little too close as well (Jen was shatting her panties. :D ) as we booked to stay in a hotel in Wimbledon (you guys obviously have heard of it) right.............Wimbledon being quite an expensive place in London and was totally un-affected by the riots.

    So we have the sat nav on the go, we are driving through my old home town............I say to Jen "We are going to see one of the retail parks that was levelled in a sec" and there it is, huge electrical and clothing stores with wood for front facades now............crazy.

    We go past it, see some more stores that are totally smashed in..............I look at the sat nav and it is says there are 30 seconds until we arrive at our destination!

    Im confused because its at least another 10 minutes before we get to Wimbledon..............but sure enough, about 30 seconds past one of the most looted and smashed up places in London, there is our Holiday Inn Express!!! :shock:

    It was in a town called Colliers Wood, which they class as "South Wimbledon"............bull sh*t! its like saying Livermore is in Pleasanton! :shock:

    So yeah, Jen was a little worried but it was fine.............especially as it was "my hood" so we would not have come to any harm anyway. ;)

    Saw some of the other areas as well, and just crazy.............huge retail parks and stores just destroyed, most of them closed because they literally had no stock left..............one of the worst hit was the UK's first Best Buy. :cry:
     
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    I've been following all this on the news as much as I can. At the risk of being political (yes I guess I'm a hypocrite) this is one of the reasons people should not allow their governments to disarm them. I'm not an advocate of ZERO gun laws or regulations, but overall you are just taking away the ability of law abiding people to defend themselves. The criminals always have, and always will find weapons.

    In the case of these riots in England, if shop keepers and home owners had even simple hunting rifles and/or shotguns their would be nowhere near the damage and mayhem that has taken place to this point. It especially irks me when I hear about the elderly being attacked with no way to defend themselves...


    link: http://www.euronews.net/2011/08/12/deat ... s-to-five/

    Anyway, I wish I could FedEx you my auto-shotgun Bigs... I also apologize for getting "political." I'll try to never do that here again, but since I opened the door... feel free to hit me with it :D
     
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    LOL!...........do you REALLY want me to hit you with it man?

    I will say one simple thing that completely un-does what you are saying and underpins why America is the most murder and death filled country in the World.............by a long way as well, more so than the most unstable and un-evolved nations in the world =

    If guns were legal in this country, then these riots would have still happened............and the death tool would be closer too 5000 than 5.
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    I know what you are saying in the sense that these scum bags would have been wary of being taken out by either the people they were attacking or the police............but if the trade off of that is to have some riots and 5 people die, vs hundreds of thousands needlessly dying every year because of things that end up in nothing more than a bloody nose in a society without guns...........then Ill take it. ;)

    So I say again, if guns are such a great deterrent............then why is America the most crime and murder filled country in the World?
     
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    not a pole long enough for me to touch this. LOL
     
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    Hmm, so much to comment on here. First of all please check your "facts," and then consider how over-exaggerated your statements are...

    :shock: :shock: :shock:

    Guns aren't the problem when it comes to violent crime. People, cultures, economies etc. are the problem. The UK is a perfect example of this. Try to legally get a gun in the UK. Now look at the UK's crime rates. There is tons of info on the internet, generally a year or two old (which makes sense when it comes to national and international crime stats.) It's an easy equation. Gun laws prevent law abiding citizens the right to defend themselves. They just help criminals. Here's a random article on the UK written in 2009...

    If you delve into the crime statistics just in the US you'll find that the highest percentage of violent crimes take place in the cities with the greatest degree of gun control. After the state of Florida allowed for the issue of concealed carry permits the violent crime rate dropped immediately and has continued to drop ever since. Washington DC, Chicago, Baltimore, Oaktown etc. have had extremely tough gun laws AND some of the worst violent crime rates.

    Do a search on what violent criminals have said has deterred them... guns. If they know, or believe, a home owner is armed they'll move on to another target.

    I suspect that nothing I say, any statistic I site, etc. will change your mind Bigs. I think you are generally an open minded person, but certain "political" opinions can become so etched in someone's mind as to become intractable. Based on what you have said here I'm guessing the right to own a firearm in one such issue with you. Perhaps I'm the same way on the other side of the fence. It's an issue I have studied on a historical level, as well as a present-day political level, and I doubt someone could change my mind on the subject. But like I said before, I opened this door here so feel free to hit me with it :D
     
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    All good stuff there man and I know that you are a historian on subjects such as this, so I am inclined to listen and take on board what you say because you are coming from a place of knowledge.

    But the problem is..........trying to prove the point that guns would make a society less violent, or perhaps less the victim of violence, using overall crime statistics.............is not very accurate and fair to the bigger issue.

    The reasons for that are =

    1 - Crime is recorded in different ways, by different bodies, for different political purposes or gains by every single nation in the World...............especially when it comes to overall crime, which is what you are looking at there.

    I mean sh*t, within this, we are talking about different classifications of what a crime is! ie: certain things in this country or others are regarded as crimes and are reportable, whereas they are not in many other countries.

    There is no real comparison between any nations overall crime statistics because of this, because there are so many factors which change the results for the purpose of comparison.

    Thats why murders are the only real crime stat that can truly be compared.............because someone always either misses the murdered person and reports them, or a body is found, it is the clearest and most definitive statistic that can be collected and compared.

    2 - In a way, I would expect a gun'less country to have more overall crime.............sounds funny huh..............what I mean is that we are less desensitised to violence and crime, because there arent murders and shootings every day.

    Therefore, we are more inclined to report crime! no matter how petty or minor............so then we appear like we have more crime.

    Specifically in a comparison between our 2 countries (as thats what we were talking about to begin with).............we do not have the kind of ghettos and large scale areas of "gang land" where the criminal element is largely found and forced into.

    The fear and resentment that those areas breed, even in the people who arent criminals, brings about a non-reporting culture.............A: Because of their fear of being taken down by the gang members or whoever themselves or B: Their reluctance/fear/resentment of the police.

    There is something else I wanted to say but Im getting a little sleepy now............
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    Ill try and sum up a little here.

    Ill be honest, the "gun issue" is not one that is really talked about a lot in this country.............not really discussed...........nothing to do with any political lobbying and not ever really brought up for discussion in a sense of making them legal.

    So its not really a political thing or right we may feel we are deprived of or deserve...............because it just doesnt make sense and would be chaos to implement!

    In a country like the US, where it has obviously always had the "right" to have guns.............it is the opposite, its a part of daily live (whether you have guns or not, you are going to experience them in some way pretty much every day, even if thats just hearing about a shooting in the news).

    Here's a good way of showing how I feel about it (and again, Im not a placard waiving anti gun man, nor am I pro gunner...........I love guns! Ive always had a fascination with them from a young age) =

    When I watch a show like The First 48..............I often sit there and think about the issues that have lead to these murders and think about that exact same issue happening in this country and what the result would have been.

    An example: In the US, a guy insults someone at the liquor store............they go outside.............they start shooting............someone dies..........police are called.

    Here, a guy insults someone at the liquor store...........they go outside..............they start throwing punches..............the police are called............maybe someone ends up with a bloodied face before the police arrive to stop it all.

    See the difference?

    Lets see what you think of that stuff............Im tired now and forgetting all kinds of stuff I want to say and its annoying me that I am.

    Thanks for "going there" Chum man! Ive missed this. ;)
     
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    As far as my personal choice goes, it is a NO BRAINER to NOT own a gun if my goal is to keep my family safe. Home invasion type crimes are EXTREMELY rare. But the odds of my child being killed by a gun skyrocket if a gun is present in the house. It is just not worth the risk.

    Especially when you factor in studies done on home invasion/burglary cases where they studied these crimes and in 3% of them, the INVADER used the HOME OWNERS gun against them when only 1.5% were able to use their gun for their protection.

    So the odds that I get invaded are highly improbable... then if I DO get invaded, the chances of me actually getting to use my weapon are less than 2%. Just not worth it to keep a loaded gun in the house that my children could accidentally shoot themselves with.

    In my opinion, there is just no denying that my children have a greater likelyhood to be shot if I own a gun.
     
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    I totally respect your choice Bada...

    I have had to use a gun in self defense once, inside my own home. No shots were fired, but me holding a baseball bat, and trying to be as threatening as possible, didn't slow down the criminal that was trying to enter my apartment with my soon to be wife inside.

    My wife was on the phone with 911 while the scariest looking individual I have ever witnessed was trying to force his way through our front door. After everything else failed I took out my .45, aimed it at the intruder and told him to get the fuck out or I would shoot. Once he could see the gun he turned into a gentleman, was very apologetic, and promptly left my premises. The cops caught him about 10 minutes latter.

    As most of you know, I have children now, my oldest is 6. I don't keep any loaded guns in the house, but I have trained myself to get my pistol and load it in about 30 seconds. There is no way my children are physically capable of firing any gun in my house. My neighborhood is fairly nice, but there have been a few break ins over the years, and we aren't inside city limits. Unless we were extremely lucky, the fastest response time we could expect a cop to be at our house is about 30 minutes, maybe longer.

    I feel that one of my duties as a father is to be a protector of the family. I'm quite prepared for that role. I'm not under the belief that I can stop any wrong doing that comes our way, but I'm as prepared as I can be, and part of that means I make sure my children can't accidentally fire the very tools I use to protect them with.

    Bigs... there is a lot in your post and I don't have time to address it all right now. I'll try to latter if you would like. I will say this however...

    Statistics can, and are, manipulated all the time for political purpose. No argument there. My belief that people should have the right to defend themselves with guns doesn't actually stem from any statistics at all. I brought up stats because that's what I generally do when discussing/arguing a topic online.

    I simply believe that people have the innate right to defend themselves, their families, their nation, those who can't defend themselves etc. from evil doers. Yes I do believe in good and evil, and the evil ones don't give a shit about the law. The good ones do, and the law simply prevents good people from defending themselves. If the world had a ban on all guns... evil bastards would still have guns.
     
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    I hope I didn't derail this thread but throwing out the above personal experience with a firearm... I certainly don't think that gives me any kind of extra ground in this argument/discussion. It just goes to my perspective, so I threw it out there.

    btw I keep imagining Bigs, on his stoop (not even sure he has one) with an AR-15 and a flak jacket just daring those rioting bitches to get at his castle :D
     
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    Love THAT!
     
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    LOL!.............how about this Chum =

    The night I started this thread was the night there were rumours it was going to start down here in Brighton..............I got down and loaded up my M4 Carbine, 1-1 scale, fully auto, electric BB gun and put it by the balcony window over night. :D

    Those are illegal in this country too, I bought it when they werent.............and its not one of those stupid ones with red nozzles on it and sh*t.

    As for your perspective there Chum, first, dont apologise for bringing it up............its completely valid from your perspective over there but let me let me ask you a question =

    How did you feel about guns and home protection before you had that intruder? (obviously you felt a certain way because you owned a gun.........but it did it change after that?).

    Also, before that incident, had you or anyone you know had a similar experience?
     
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    Ohh hey Chum, I just thought of something you might like quite a lot.

    One of my youtube boys, Mr FPSRussia.............he started off as a Call of Duty guy, then took on this persona of a tough ass Russian (hes American) and basically tries out/demo's all the weapons from the COD series in real life!

    Some awesome stuff, especially when he packs sh*t full of explosives and blows it up with Incendiary rounds.

    Heres the link for his channel =

    http://www.youtube.com/user/FPSRussia

    And a nice first start video to watch. :thumbsup: =

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbsgHbXubGU[/youtube]

    By the way, he is one of the most successful youtubers there is, and earns hundreds of thousands from doing just this.
     

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