San Francisco 49ers Thread

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  1. TMC

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    Another thing to consider is that Kyle Shanahan has made it to the SB twice already... and both times his playcalling has been heavily criticized (fairly, imho). I'm not saying he's the only one to blame, but he played a role in the defeat.

    And it's weird, because playcalling doesn't seem to have been an issue til now (correct me if I'm wrong, please... I've watched the playoffs and some regular season football, but I don't have enough time to follow other teams closely. I've got enough time invested in following the Bucs). It just happens to him in the SB. Atlanta's defeat vs New England was totally his fault, and he could have done a much better job vs the Chiefs, it just doesn't happen in other games.
     
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    In both cases he went up against 2 old time vet coaches.

    Those guys have seen everything and know when momentum shifts and when to capitalize.

    Shanahan is still new at this but should get better.
     
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    I think Shanahan f*ck up again, plain and simple. You can't give the Chiefs the ball 33 minutes of the game, because they have Mahomes and two great weapons in Hill and Kelce (not to mention other good players like Williams and Watkins... it's a team built to win now) and, even more important, your defense is not well rested for the final minutes of the game. I think the defeat is mostly on Shanahan. It wasn't only his fault, obviously, but he played a big role in the defeat.

    Oh, well... the Niners have a great roster with plenty of weapons. They'll be back next year as a contender. As for this offseason, they should try to add help at WR and improve their o-line as much as possible (Staley is great, but everybody else is average at best, imho). But they should be back, and hopefully Shanahan will have learned the lesson for the third time.
     
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    Agreed.

    But like I said, experience is key.

    Kinda like watching an old boxer bide his time until the younger, stronger, faster boxer slips up or takes their foot off the gas and then they swoop in for the kill.
     
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    I understand now why this is a Quarterback's game tho.

    One throw was all it took to turn the whole team and, inevitably, the whole game around.

    Shanahan went to his QB too late after micromanaging him the whole game.
     
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    Agree with TMC. They got terribly out coached that final quarter. Plain and simple. It was very odd to see the offense not look much like how it operated the entire season.

    Credit to the Chiefs defense, though. That front 7 brought it.
     
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    Still hurtin from this game. I think it was all execution. Game of inches. Buckner gets to mahomes on 3rd and 15, niners are probably winning that game. As it was, mahomes threw a damn lollipop ..i thought for sure it would get picked. So frustrating to watch. Then Jimmy overthrows sanders... just some tough stuff.

    KC did a good job on 1st down runs for the most part though. I think that was a key.
     
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    Congrats on the trade for Trent Williams, guys. That was huge.
     
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    Most definitely.

    Salute to Joe Staley on a great career. Huge locker room presence, too. His retirement and Buckner’s departure creates a huge void as they were both fun and professional. Who will be that guy now? Outside of Sherman, it’ll be collective.

    Huge get on Trent, though. Staley telling John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan without anything leaking was extremely valuable. When they passed on Wirfs for Kinlaw, it might’ve raised some eyebrows. But Minnesota drafting Ezra Cleveland instead sealed the deal. And amazingly, they only had to give up next year’s 3rd and a 5th from this year. Pretty evident Ron Rivera wanted to move on regardless of past transgressions between Trent, Redskins ownership, former Redskins executives and Shanahan. It all worked out in the end. Now they have Staley’s, Buckner’s and Sanders’ successors.

    They’re all in on the same formula as last season... dominating the line of scrimmage on both sides. And so now, they will go as far as Garappolo takes them.
     
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    Hopefully, the AQI will not soar past 200 in Santa Clara tomorrow. It’s 190 so it is close. I’m not sure how they play even at 190 even with oxygen masks.
     
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    The good news: Trent Williams was a huge add. Bosa is such a force.

    The bad news: the interior line got beat quite a bit. No surprise as they’re dealing with injuries there. Same to the WR core. No Aiyuk or Deebo. The opposite corner play will always be inconsistent. And Kyler to Hopkins is going to be a problem for years. What a dumb move by the Texans.

    The Cardinals took this game. The defense isn’t as sharp, but who knows if that’s because they missed preseason or what. Either way, nothing to worry about for now. If this is still the issue at Week 6 or 7, then yeah, we’ll talk more.
     
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    Bosa going down sucks. Just awful for the guy. It hasn’t been confirmed that it was an ACL tear but it goes without saying. Looks like they’ll turn to a couple of free agents they’ve been bringing in over the last month to fill in. Ziggy Ansah has been the name floating.

    Solomon Thomas going down is tough too because it’s eating into their depth. His is not as serious, but with Bosa likely out for the year, Ronald Blair not due back until closer to Week 8 and Dee Ford still ailing... they’re going to be hurting with their rotation. Sherman may be back next week, but I’d side with caution and just sit him. Same with Kittle. I’m sure they’ll lobby to play, but against the Giants with Barkley? Meh, sit em. This team still has enough talent and chemistry to win with Mullens under the center.

    They have the Giants, Eagles and Dolphins before the Rams. I think they can weather the storm and come out 5-1 or 4-2 despite their injury woes.
     
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    So four weeks in, they're 2-2... and those two losses were winnable. Hopefully, they don't come back to haunt them later in the season. Couple thoughts:

    - I haven't enjoyed a 49ers TE this much since... ever? Vernon Davis was decent in his time, but he didn't live up to his potential. Then there was Eric Johnson before him who was so-so. Much like TMC enjoys Brady, I very much enjoy seeing Kittle beast defenders off of him. Not everyone has the benefit of seeing a talent like him come along. But I believe when his career is all said and done, he'll be up there with the Tony G's, Antonio Gates, Gronk's of the NFL TE world.

    - Having McKinnon has been a boost. I don't know how they get by the last couple weeks with Mostert out. Those two together are a great tandem. And then you mix in the runs with Aiyuk and Samuel... that's a headache to defend.

    - Speaking of those two... man, Shanahan has some really talented guys. Those two are a lock moving forward for WR1 and WR2. Losing Hurd again for the season sucks and I was looking forward to what Travis Benjamin was going to add but can't blame it for sitting it out this year. Dante Pettis is pretty much done. You know what you're going to get from Bourne and then Sanu's a nice veteran option for depth. But Aiyuk and Samuel are pretty dynamic talents on the outside.

    - The offensive line has for the most part, been a story. Trent Williams has been great, other than yesterday. But they miss Weston Richburg at center and the right side has been meh. They'll need more consistent play for those guys.

    - Ziggy Ansah may be out for the season. I don't know what it is about the injury bug and 49ers' defensive linemen. But tough blow. The front 7 hasn't been as sharp this year, which obviously starts with losing Bosa for the year. Kinlaw has been a nice addition, but he still has some ways to go before he really makes an impact. And obviously, not having Buckner is noticeable. Dee Ford has yet to be 100% and it makes me wonder if he'll be in a 49ers uniform next year. Kwon could be in the same position, though he makes much less money.

    - And the injury bug at corner has been rough. Sherman and Witherspoon both being out has exposed them. And not have Moseley last night, as well. Fortunately, Jason Verrett is still standing and contributing. But Dontae Johnson is easy to pick on.

    Overall, it looks like the 49ers' best football is building for the final stretch of the season... as long as everyone stays healthy and those that are on the shelf right now won't have any setbacks. This is still a very good football team and the NFC is still very wide open.
     
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    Alright, that was bad. And Kittle’s right... if they don’t figure it out, the next month will be ugly.

    - JimmyG clearly wasn’t ready or himself after watching the first half. And the offensive line, who’s play continues to regress, didn’t help either. Who know what happens from here with Jimmy because his ankle is not ready. But I wouldn’t be surprised if Beathard is the QB for a while.

    - The secondary play is really bad. Injuries have been the story, but their depth has really been exposed. And with the defensive front ailing, too, the offense has to make up for the inefficiency... and as highlighted above, well...

    Overall, the next handful of weeks do not bode well for the 49ers. It’s a really rough patch of elite opponents and will likely decide their season.
     
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    Miami has improved a lot since last year. Still, a contender can't lose to Miami. I've only seen highlights, but first impression is that Mostert played well on offense but that the passing game and secondary were somewhere between bad and awful.
     
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    Yeah, Jimmy wasn’t ready to return and it showed. Beathard and Mullens are back ups and it showed. I mean, nothing more to really say about that. The offensive line’s really been abysmal. I know I’ve said this but they’ve been weirdly bad. They have a couple guys playing out of position. McGlinchey is getting cooked. That just leaves Trent Williams... and when the other 4 aren’t playing well, you can’t hide behind him.

    And if I’m the opposing team’s offense, I’m throwing it all day. No Sherman or Moseley and unfortunately, there’s a huge drop off from there.
     
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    I am not a Garappolo hater. I actually like him and think he’s a good QB. Look, he helped lead the team to a SB last season. But the fact that he has that contract (large money, but can kill it at any time)... I mean, if Dak Prescott becomes available next offseason for whatever dumb reason Dallas says, I hope the 49ers consider it. I know that’s not Shanahan’s MO with QBs, but I don’t see him growing into an elite QB. I think this is as good as it gets with some more progressions but nothing that will blow you away. And his style is not the future of the league... the Russ Wilson’s, the Kyler Murray’s... that’s the type that needs to be under center for this team.

    Oh. And it looks like Kwon Alexander got traded to NOLA for a conditional 5th rounder and Kiko Alonso. But that’s interesting. He had a hard time staying on the field. Before his injury last year, he was big. After, which I can’t fault him, he wasn’t. And this year was nonexistent. So they restructured his deal instead of cutting him. And he ended up lasting half a season and they got something for him in return. Not bad, I guess.
     
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    Jimmy G is good enough to start, but he's not gonna win a SB by himself. If the rest of the team is good enough, he can lead you to a ring.

    I loved Kwon, but we got Devin White to replace him. And White is playing at a pro bowl level. If he keeps improving, there's no reason he can't be a contender for DPOY in the near future. Hope Kwon can get back and play at his best once again.
     
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    Yeah, no Deebo or Mostert was almost an assurance for a loss. Now Kittle's out for the stretch run. Jimmy's ankle is bum again. So the season is pretty much over. There's rumblings that those upstairs disagreed with the severity of Jimmy's ankle sprain which triggered the "will Jimmy be a 49er still in 2021 or 2022" question again. He's getting paid $25m with an opt out option every April so there will always be that question. My feeling is that we may never see the true potential of this offense with Jimmy, Mostert, Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle and Juz all healthy. The WR depth after those two is terrible. There's a lot of talented RBs the coaches find, but Mostert is clearly the guy. Although, Breida is the example that no RB is safe.
     
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