Random Warrior thoughts

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  1. TMC

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    Great, and much needed, win. Doesn't look like the Oubre signing is going too well, tho. But I like what Wiggins has been doing. The only problem is his contract, but he's a useful player. Can be a decent 3rd/4th option.
     
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    The only positives with Oubre so far is some defensive tenacity. But too many missed layups after a steal. He's really gotten into his own head with his 3 shooting.
    Time for Kerr to suggest some Phil Jackson like meditation and sage smudging. Actually Kerr said in the post game that he is not changing the starting lineup and that he knows Kelly will come around. Hope he can turn a corner, we'll need contributions from every player we have.
     
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    Paschall has really stepped up in Chriss’ abscence. He’s relished that small ball role at the 5. The rebounding gets impact, but man, he’s really asserted himself there. Nice to see him looking comfortable again. No preseason and having to start the first 4 games really threw him out of whack.

    Bazemore, Lee and Mulder are going to eat into Oubre’s minutes as long as he keeps struggling offensively.

    The positive is that this team is 5-4 and they still don’t have an identity but they are competing hard. I like what Curry said postgame to someone asking if this win was a message being sent to the rest of the league... “no messages necessary my man. We know who we are ... we love the fight.”
     
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    Well, moving Paschall to the second unit has really helped him. Not sure why that's not under consideration in Oubre's case. I'd start Mulder over him for a while and see what happens. It's not like once you lose your starting job you won't ever get it back. You may end up playing even more minutes than the starter if you're playing well.

    But playing with the second unit may help him get into a rhythm, like Paschall did. I'd understand keeping Curry or Dray starting, but I don't know why Oubre has earned his starting spot while playing so bad on offense.
     
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    His contract... not as simple as that but that's where they value him. I think it's a combo of past performance, his contract reflecting that of a midlevel/starter, and what they think is his potential within that unit (while Klay is out)
     
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    Sure, but point is, it's not working. He came as Klay's replacement (not that Klay can be replaced, mind you) and right now, he's hindering more than helping. And the only good thing about it is that he's an expirer, so we're not committed to him for more than this season (if he's not traded, that is).

    He's never been consistent, but his athleticism allowed him to have good games here and there, but no team he's ever played for had any kind of doubts about trading him (the Suns were great in the bubble last year, precisely when he wasn't playing). That says something. What I don't understand is why he's earned the right to anything. Whenever I catch a game, he's in the middle, bad shooting, poor positioning... offensively, he's been a disgrace. On defense, he's been up and down. I say it's time to bench him and let him realize he can't play like this, because one thing is when your shot isn't falling and another is when you don't fit the team's offense.

    He's got talent, but he's got to learn to play with our guys. While he realizes that and adapts, I don't think he should be starting.
     
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    If you look at some stats though from 2019, he had very few bad games and was relatively consistent.

    Slater has some interesting data. He's far better at dribbling into a 3 than catch and shoot, and more consistent above the break than in the corners. Also more consistent with a defender on him than a wide open 3
    https://theathletic.com/2211156/2020/11/20/kelly-oubre-warriors-fit/
     
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    Yeah, but those same stats say that, when he didn't play, the Suns won more. They had a 12-5 record without him and a 22-34 record when he was playing. That stat is scary.

    Going back to his entire Suns tenure, they were 32-64 when he played for them. It's probably not a fair stat, because we're comparing different teams, but nobody can deny that Phoenix played much better when he was sidelined last season.

    And it's not for a lack of talent. I sincerely believe it's all (lack of ) bball IQ, if you want to call it that.
     
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    Kerr’s commitment to “being a better defensive team” will keep Oubre Jr in the lineup for a while. I agree though, I feel like he should get relegated to the bench. The problem, when he’s in with Curry, Steph has to make up for his lack of offensive awareness. I think to maximize Steph with this roster, it needs to be Lee, Mulder or Baze starting. Let Oubre work his way back by showing better awareness and hitting more shots.

    But Kerr won’t shorten his leash. Not for a while, I’d say. His minutes did shrink these last two Clippers games so...
     
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    The Warriors are looking good! Even Wiggins is playing his best ball.
     
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    Wiggins has done some things in defense that I didn't expect. And he's been solid all-around. If he weren't paid like he's paid (not our fault), he'd be a perfect role player because he can help in many different ways. I think he's more focused with us than in his Minny tenure.
     
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    4-3 home stand. Not bad. I think we all predicted it right. They could’ve ended it 5-2 if they didn’t squander tonight. Paschall was missed as the small ball 5. Lots of kinks to work out, but yeah, like TMC said. You have to be impressed with what Wiggins is showing. He looks locked in. He’s showing a lot of awareness especially defensively. And he’s gradually picked up the offense the more he’s kept playing. It’s just pretty evident most of their offensive issues evaporate if Klay was healthy. Plain and simple. But overall, their defensive potential is promising.
     
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    I was hoping they could beat Indy and finally win 3 straight games, but I guess that's what we have to expect the whole season. It'd be a whole different story with Klay available.

    We're going to be a playoff contender, if our guys stay healthy and Covid-19 doesn't f*ck up too much with us. But we're going to lose games we're not supposed to and also win a few games we're not supposed to.

    Mostly, really happy with Wiggins and Wiseman, disappointed with Oubre and our bench. And hoping Dray gets in shape fast, because he's not at his best yet.
     
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    Any interest in an expiring Drummond?
     
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    I like Drummond a lot. But he'd be a difference-maker in another era. Not so much right now. Not at his prize. And I'm not really sure what he'll be able to get in an open market. I mean, it's not going to be a Dwight Howard situation in which he barely has any offers, because, for starters, Drummond is not a nutjob. But we'll see what the market offers him. I think he's good and can contribute to a good team, but he can't be the focus of that team.
     
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    If you’re talking about this season, he’s making $28M so matching salaries would be difficult. They can’t combine the DPE into a deal so they’d likely have to give up Draymond or Wiggins for him which basically means, it wouldn’t happen.

    As for the future? Probably not. If they’re truly committed to Wiseman, they understand it’s going to take about 3-4 years before he really starts to show his potential. So they’re gonna look for a big who’ll play back up. Drummond probably still wants to start.
     
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    Here’s an adjustment for Kerr... START Damion Lee over Kelly Oubre Jr. That game against Denver was just another reminder that this starting line up is not working and I don’t believe will ever work. It’s their worst +/- five-man unit! Defenses aren’t respecting them... they’re just throwing every body at Curry and occasionally Wiggins forcing Green, Oubre and Wiseman to beat them offensively. Green’s still out of shape. We don’t need to reiterate Oubre’s struggles. And Wiseman’s still very raw.

    Lee would open things up more. Curry needs another shooter for defenses to respect. He deserves a longer look. He’s earned it. Once he’s tired, spell him for Mulder. But treat him like Klay. He needs to play next to Curry so that he’s not getting swarmed every single play.
     
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    I'm in favor of this. Though I can see Kerr sticking with the original starting five thinking Oubre is going to break out at some point. Surely, by game 16-20, and things haven't changed yet, you have to start reconsidering the lineup, and Lee has earned it.
     
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    I thought you were talking about Drummond in the general NBA landscape. If you're talking about our team (and why wouldn't you?, I didn't even realize it was posted in the Warriors thread) I agree that it makes not much sense. He's good, but we're better off developing Wiseman.

    This. This a thousand times. Oubre is hampering our whole unit. It's time to move him to the bench, as soon as possible. This loyalty that Kerr has to him, which is the only reason he keeps starting, makes no f*cking sense and is hurting the team.

    Let him run with the second unit. Try to trade him if he still doesn't fit (not easy, considering what he's done so far) and cut ties once the season is over if not.
     
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    Kerr just said he won’t change the starters, but he will keep playing around with the rotation. I just hope that means more PT with Curry/Lee paired together. That’s all I’d like to see.

    On a side note, watching Keldon Johnson grow on the Spurs while Poole continues to sit is... defeating. If Poole never becomes something for this team, that’ll be back to back years where a guy taken after does more and shows more. The Evans one stings harder since there’s multiple guys (Brunson, Graham, Robinson, Trent).
     

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