Random Warrior thoughts

Discussion in 'All Things Warriors' started by Rob, Jul 20, 2010.

  1. TMC

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    Simmons was good defensively and had a nice shooting touch (not that he was a great shooter, but reliable enough to keep defenses honest) in San Antonio. That shooting touch went away in Orlando, but if he gets it back, he's a more than adequate backup wing.
     
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    Marc Gasol’s going to play out his sunset years back in Spain. I was hoping the Dubs would target him if he had chosen to remain in the NBA to help out their depth situation at center. Wings are the premium in today’s game but looking at who’s in the way for a trip back to the Finals, they’ll need some more size to counter the Lakers, Nuggets, Blazers and Jazz. Draymond can’t do it all. I like Chriss but he’s 6’9. Looney looks healthy but who knows with his body. And Smiley’s still so green.
     
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    Marc would have been great for us.

    But, at this stage of his career, having won a ring and considering how different European basketball is as compared to life in the NBA (easier, at least, in the number of games), who can't blame him? Particularly when he's going to sign with his home team.

    But he would have been a perfect fit with our roster. Dray and Marc inside would have been extremely fun, and effective.
     
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    Myles Turner would be a nice fit. Hard to believe Indy can afford to pay him and Brogdon on their salaries and then find a way to pay Oladipo, Sabonis and Warren what they will command and still have a roster to contend.

    I’m not sure how the Warriors could pull it off asset and money wise, but he checks off boxes and is more of a sure thing than Wiseman.
     
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    I think he'd be a good fit, but he's disappointed me enough times. Maybe I'd trade Wiggins for him, but never including a high draft choice.
     
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    The Warriors are showing interest in Dwight Howard, per Shams. I'm not sure how I totally feel about it. The Warriors need size, that's for sure. And Dwight's earned the raise (but unless he accepts part of the MLE so that they can still sign another wing, I'm not so sure)... but what do you guys think?
     
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    I want nothing to do with Dwight Howard....he is an asshole! Yeah, his attitude was a little better this season, maybe because Lebron knew how to handle him. But I still dont like him.
     
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    Same. He played his role this season, but only because it was his last, last chance. If not, he'd be out of the NBA already. And he's already won a ring, so who knows what can go through his head next season, if he still is going to be under control and playing his role or get back to his old ways.

    I don't know how to feel about this. I get our need for size. I'm just not sure which Dwight we're gonna see next season.
     
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    No thanks
     
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    I figured. And it makes total sense to not want him. If they keep the pick and take Wiseman, they'll be paying him around $7-8m per year. Why get tied up in that and paying Dwight whatever the heck he'd garner. Because at that point, they better have someone in mind with the TPE and land some guys at the vet minimum.
     
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    Yeah, and if it's Wiseman, I don't know if we want Dwight around him as his mentor. I mean, last season's Dwight was a pro. But it's one season out of a long career of teams and teammates disappointed. So I don't know...

    Also, I've been hearing a lot lately about the team loving Vassell and willing to trade down and take him with a later pick. Plenty of comparisons with Klay (that's what happens when the draft gets closer). I think Vassell can go anywhere from 6 to 11 (and I really like him), but I don't know who could trade someone of value to us.

    Atlanta trading Collins and #6 for our #2? I don't think they'd do it.

    Detroit trading Griffin and their #7 for Wiggins and our #2? Also doubtful, do we want to take on Griffin's contract? Do they want to do the same with Wiggins? (haven't checked the numbers, I'm just throwing ideas, maybe someone would need to add fillers to make it work). I think it's more feasible than a deal with Atlanta.

    New York? Mitchell Robinson would be a nice addition, but it'd be hard to build a deal that works for both sides. Robinson and #8 are good enough value for #2?

    Washington? Our dream trade would be Wiggins and #2 for Beal and #9, but if I'm Washington, with Beal recently signed to an extension, I don't have any incentive to make that move.

    Below those two, Vassell won't, most likely, be available.

    I think LaMelo can be our safest option, in fact. But we'll see what happens...
     
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    So how do you guys see us rebuilding to the point where we are almost as good as the 2015-18 teams? or at least can get to the Finals in 2021.
    Currently, we have a lot of holes.
    We lost: KD, Igoudala, and Livingston, some vets, and some reserves...

    KD is irreplaceable. There is no player out there that can just replace him. But that gives the Dubs a chance to do what they would have done had they not acquired KD:
    Spread his talent (and salary) across 2 and 1/2 players. Not going to replace or replicate KD, but could give us much more needed depth than we had during the KD years.
    Translates to a long lanky scoring threat at the 3, and a solid shot blocker who can shoot some threes.

    Igoudala, also irreplaceable. How do you find a basketball IQ like that? So, a vet defender off the bench who is willing and capable to guard the best 2 through 4's in the league. Who is an incredible passer and devastating on the break. I can't even think of anyone like that...
    Iggy also might be someone, talent wise, that you spread across two players...

    Livingston might be easier to replace, a calming steady PG presence off the bench. His length and solid turnaround J might be hard to replicate but there has to be someone out there that can give us at least that level of maturity and professionalism at the backup PG spot.

    We're going to need 2-3 bench players to really provide a spark, and another 2-3 to at least provide some solidity, when it's time for a starter to sit.
     
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    Pretty much what you said, Money, unless the team finds a way to add a disgruntled star. But, basically, it'll be signing vets and hitting the jackpot with our draft picks or go for a big trade. But I don't see that big trade unless the Wizards suddenly change their mind and are willing to include Beal in a deal (they shouldn't, but who knows with that franchise).

    I'm hearing a lot that the Dubs are strongly considering trading down in order to add a pick around the #8-#11 range and a vet. Not sure is the best option.
     
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    Yeah, at this point, it’s tough to replicate the depth from those years. And the situation is exactly how TMC laid it out... disgruntled vets, guys willing to take less just to join a contender. On paper, there isn’t really anyone to those skill sets available. So yeah, they have to get lucky.

    And yes, Minny not drafting LaMelo at one puts the Warriors in a favorable spot to move. There’s quite a few teams after them that want him and that’s where those move down trades come in. But if Minny takes him, it’s difficult to see them going with anyone but Wiseman.

    But fwiw, Ethan Strauss reported that Lacob, Myers, Kerr and a few others flew out to see Demi Avdija workout which went really well and he put a strong impression on them.
     
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    This makes me nervous. I like the Warriors ability to get solid NBA players out of players no one else wants or thinks is going to be that good... DOWN the draft.

    At #2.... You need to take the best player available. Whoever that is. They will become a key core player or a valuable trade asset.
     
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    Can we hire back the Logo for the draft and trades? This feels like a situation he could really make the most out of.
     
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    Another vote to hire back the logo. If it were not for him, Klay would have been traded for Kevin Love and who knows where that would have taken us.
     
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    Alright, the 2020-21 season is now official. Tried my best to summarize Woj's article as the league and player's union agreed to amend the CBA. Here is the timeline and details:

    Nov. 18th: 2020 NBA Draft
    Nov. 20th: @ 3pm PST: Free Agency begins
    Dec. 1st: Training Camp begins
    Dec. 22nd: Regular season begins
    Salary cap: $109.140M
    Luxury Tax: $132.627M
    - Both the cap and tax are the same as the 2019-20 season.
    - Also, the salary cap will go up a minimum 3% every new season until the CBA ends; 10% max.

    Player withholding escrow stays at 10%. Any reduction in pay will it out throughout the season with a max withholding to 20%.

    If the league's Basketball Related Income drops from its projected $8.45B, luxury tax will be adjusted. The example was if it dropped 30%, the Warriors' luxury tax bill would go down from $60M to $42M. Another note is if the Warriors use all of their TPE from the Iguodala trade ($17.2M), then their tax bill would be $149M... but if the BRI drops, say 30%, then it will be around $104M.

    As a refresher, the Wiggins/Curry/Klay/Dray cost $130.1M. Filling out the rest of the roster will boost past the tax obviously. As Anthony Slater noted, if there's no fans at Chase, the luxury tax bill will be lower because ticketing is part of the BRI. So the desire to spend likely increases.

    Finally, they're still working out the scheduling which is why it may likely be released in two parts and you'll only get the first half first. But they are looking into reducing travel as much as possible... so instead of seeing the Warriors play at Sacramento and then fly over to Dallas, you'll see them go to Sac then say Portland instead.

    Free agency come two days after the draft will make things really hectic in two weeks. But at least you'll know who's gonna be running with the guys before December 1st.
     
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    It's amazing how fast they are trying to get back. I think it's a mistake. Long season, followed by the Olympics, not enough rest... I fear it may translate into more muscle injuries due to that lack of rest. Players (and coaches, when allowed) will have to control how many games they play in order to reduce the stress on their bodies.

    It's happening in soccer, which is why many competitions now allow five changes instead of the usual three. I think they should have gone with less games in a shorter season, starting at least one month later. But it's what it is, and economic concerns primed over player security.


    In any case, as a fan, happy that the draft is coming soon, just followed by free agency. Hope we can get a few new faces in the house to reload the roster and make another run at the title!!!

    As for the draft itself, I've seen the Dubs associated with several names. But I'd say Giannis and Beal are the only two I would consider. If we're trading the house for Jrue Holiday (as much as I like him, and that's a lot) heck, no. I'd rather keep the pick(s). It's either Giannis, Beal or keep the pick for me.
     
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    Wow! Training camp starts in just 3 weeks! Looking forward to the draft in 8 days.
     

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