Random Warrior thoughts

Discussion in 'All Things Warriors' started by Rob, Jul 20, 2010.

  1. MadBallers

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    Shit, Fitz has one hell of a good agent. I will be muting any game he does.
     
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    Just saw I.T. intimating that he is willing to come off the bench for GSW....

    Not interested, too one dimensional, but what about someone like Paddy Mills?
     
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    The ideal wing to come off the bench for Kerr can play defense and has good wingspan length. IT definitely doesn't check those boxes. Great scoring punch, but just not the ideal Kerr bench wing.

    Patty would be solid. It would require the TPE and then some to get him, though.
     
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    Let's talk draft first and possible role players later. We might have that position covered in the draft.

    I think Edwards is the guy if we get the top pick. But there will be some interest in Haliburton if we fall a bit in the draft. That would cover all of our needs at PG.
     
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    Man, 5:30 PT on Thursday couldn’t come soon enough. Glad they moved it up because the anticipation has been immense!

    Edwards has to be the guy if they get #1. If it’s 2, I’m inclined to say Wiseman (unless whoever gets 1 doesn’t go Edwards). If they fall to 3-4-5, I could see them trying to trade back. LaMelo Ball makes absolutely no sense in any scenario.

    And last thing I’d want to hear is LaVar mouthing off about his PT behind Klay & Steph. “For them to succeed, he needs the ball in his hands running the offense!” Granted, Curry and Klay are just as dangerous off the ball as they are on and LaMelo is a good passer... okay, stop me now before I try to talk myself into it.
     
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    It's Edwards if we get the #1 pick, Edwards if he falls to us for whatever reason.

    If not, Wiseman becomes an option. Obi Toppin, too. I like Haliburton as well. But there's a huge drop in talent after the top 5. I don't think a guy like Vassell or Okoro can become more than a role player. And that's not bad, but we should explore trading the pick if we are not in the top 4 or 5.

    I wouldn't mind LaMelo if his father is kept out of the arena AT ALL TIMES.
     
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    2nd overall! It was so important to land in the Top 2 for the Warriors. 3/4/5 just sucks, let’s be real. And being 2nd is less pressure. If you flop, no one really remembers or cares. If you flop at 1, everyone remembers.

    If Minnesota goes LaMelo, the Dubs possibly go Edwards. If they go Edwards, the Dubs possibly go Wiseman. I’m warming up to him because with this draft, I think you just go for it. Trading the pick? Well, if someone really wants a guy, that could be on the table. But it’s tough unless teams get better access to these prospects to get to know them. So staying at 2 seems like a more likely scenario. But we’ll see what happens once the season is over.
     
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    Fuck it, just take Wiseman, he is worth the risk.
     
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    Trading the pick should always be in the table with this kind of draft.

    But with the second overall pick, we've got options. It's tough to see what Minny will do, other than not taking Wiseman (because it makes no sense with KAT on the roster). But whatever they do, it will change the outcome of the draft for us. Right now, it's Edwards, LaMelo or Wiseman. I like Toppin and Haliburton, but not at #2, that's way too high for them.

    But this is a weak draft, on paper at least, so exploring trades should always be an option.
     
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    If they stay put, I like the potential with Wiseman unless Minnesota takes him for whatever reason. They’ve got Chriss on a one year, non-guaranteed deal. Green is 30 and can’t play center all year. Looney’s health is uncertain. And Paschall’s going to be a 4/3.

    They could target someone with their TPE or mid-level to fill in at center, but I feel it’d be better used on a vet wing who can defend. Because we all know it. Unless they explode off the jump, Bowman and Poole are not going to be consistent rotation contributors next season.

    Green
    Wiggins
    Thompson
    Curry
    Paschall
    Lee
    Looney
    Chriss
    #2 pick

    On paper, those are your guys that will either start or get at least get 10+ minutes a night. Smailagic is going remain in development so he won’t take up an active roster spot. However, one may be occupied by the TPE target and the other with the MLE target. That leaves one active roster spot between Mulder, Toscano-Anderson, Poole, Bowman and any training camp invites. They need perimeter wings, badly. Lee is there to score. They won’t get an Iguodala or Livingston, but they needs guys who can replicate some of the value they brought.

    This is all based on if they keep the pick, of course.

    If they trade down, how the rest of roster is built out is depends on where they fall to. I don’t think they trade down unless they’re convinced the guy they want will be there. But like TMC, there’s options. And that’s the great thing being at 2nd overall. It’s just a matter of what Minnesota wants to do with that #1 pick.
     
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    I don't think trading down is going to be an option. Maybe trade down to #3 with Charlotte, if the Hornets want one guy and we rate two equally... but I don't see them trading down just for the sake of it. There's a big drop in terms of talent after the top 3. If they trade the pick, it'll be for a player, not for another choice.

    As for Wiseman, I think he's extremely polarizing. I like his ceiling, his upside, his skillset, but he's got very limited college tape, and lateral mobility seems to be an issue, along with his jump shot. But in terms of upside, he's a top player in this draft. Just not sure what's going to happen, because this isn't a normal draft.

    Regarding centers, I think Okongwu is a safer pick. Lower ceiling, but a much clear idea of how he's going to evolve. He's not going to be a star, tho, and Wiseman can potentially become one.

    I think Edwards is going to Minny, so let's consider other players at two, and that means LaMelo. He doesn't really fit a great need, but he's a magnificent passer that can be a GREAT fit for our style of play. He can find passing lanes nobody sees. And with Steph, Klay and Wiggins open, that's an invaluable skillset. On the bad side, he's a media magnet because of his father, and Lonzo didn't do well so far in his career, in part because of it.

    And that's the top 3. Edwards, LaMelo and Wiseman, and one of them should be our pick. There are good players after those three, but good role players at best. I wouldn't take anybody else at #2.
     
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    Ok, let's go with a mock draft, only lottery teams:

    1.- Minnesota: Anthony Edwards. Edwards can become a go-to scorer, is a great fit for what the kind of roster they're building in Minny and I think he's almost a lock for the #1 overall pick. Defensively, they can have the worst team in the NBA with KAT and Russell, but their offense has the potential to be a great one soon.

    2.- Golden State: LaMelo Ball. I think Kerr is going to love his potential, how he can dominate games while running the offense and how he can find open guys and make the right pass at the right time. I think they believe that if a franchise can deal with LaVar Ball, that's the Dubs. And I think they won't be sure what they have in Wiseman... Of course, this might change, because if Wiseman wows them in workouts and interviews, he might be the choice easily. But atm, I think they consider LaMelo a safer choice and that they can't go for Wiseman and risk him being a bust when the team is ready to be a contender.

    3.- Charlotte: James Wiseman. I think the Hornets want LaMelo. In fact, I think they're desperate to get LaMelo and don't have a plan B. So they go with Wiseman because they're not sure what to do next if the Warriors take LaMelo. Might easily trade down.

    4.- Chicago: Obi Toppin. I think he's the perfect fit for a team with Lavine, Wendell Carter, Markkanen and Coby White. Toppin is a great fit and a good value pick here, because he's going to be as good as the players that surround him. There's suddenly a lot of youth and talent in that roster.

    5.- Cleveland: Deni Avidja. The Cavs are fucked, as usual. I think they want Toppin and, in this scenario, they go for Avidja because they need a SF badly. Avidja has good upside, but he's unproven at this level, and needs to keep improving his shooting.

    6.- Atlanta: Devin Vassell. Best 3-and-D player in the draft. And a great fit for a young roster like Atlanta's. He'd be a steal this late for Atlanta and I can't think of a better fit for Vassell.

    7.- Detroit: Killian Hayes. The Pistons have decided to rebuild and Hayes is a good first step. Also, he's probably better than #7 overall, but in this scenario, he falls a little bit (because Cleveland and Atlanta don't really need a player with his skill set). I think he's quite ready to contribute soon, and also fits a need for Detroit.

    8.- New York Knicks: Tyrese Haliburton. The Knicks also don't have much luck in this scenario. I think they want a SF or Hayes, but the available SFs have some question marks about their game that they decide to go for Haliburton. It might be a blessing in disguise, because I really, really like Tyrese. He's too skinny and needs to bulk up, and he certainly can't create offense by himself, but he's a very good passer, good defender and good 3pt-shooter. You can do worse than him at this point.

    9.- Washington: Onyeka Okungwu. Best player available, and also fits a need. The Wiz got lucky here. Another option is a SF, but I think Okungwu's upside is much bigger. Can be a steal this late.

    10.- Phoenix: Patrick Williams. Here comes the next drop of talent in the draft. Williams has a lot of physical tools and, at worst, is going to be a good defender. There's talent to be a contributor on offense, too, but he's got to work on his skill set.

    11.- San Antonio: Isaac Okoro. Everything I said for Williams in the pick right above this can also be applied to Okoro. Very similar players and skill set.

    12.- Sacramento: Aaron Nesmith. I have no clue what Sacramento is going to do, but Nesmith is a very good shooter, maybe the best in the draft, and has room to improve in defense. If a mock draft is just guessing the pick, I'm guessing more than usual here. It wouldn't surprise me if Nesmith is the Spurs pick and Okoro ends up a King.

    13.- New Orleans: Saddiq Bey. Another good shooter and a guy they hope to develop into a 3-and-D guy. The D part is not there yet, because athletically, he's not among the best, but he's got room to improve. And can become JJ Redick's replacement in time.

    14.- Boston (from Memphis): Paul Reed. Might not be a thrilling pick, but Reed can shoot, defend and rebound. Can be a great fit for Boston. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes higher, albeit his ceiling is, allegedly, lower than other guys in this draft, but he's a lot more of a safe pick. At worst, I think he's going to be a good role player.


    Ok, so that's about it for the lottery teams. I think it's a good (not great) draft, although it lacks star talent outside the top 3, but there are a lot of guys that can have long careers in the NBA. Some of those will become busts, tho. There's going to be a lot of uncertainty in this draft because of the different conditions due to the COVID emergency.
     
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    Wisemen please. But for some reason , gut feeling says he's just not the type we draft

    I actually really like Lamelo. For an 18 year old kid he was really impressive here. Read yesterday he's also grown since leaving Aus and is up to 6'8
     
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    So the All-Rookie first team is out and one of our own made it. Erich Paschall joins Ja Morant, Zion, Brandon Clarke and Kendrick Nunn in the lineup. Paschall was a steal in the second round and, taking advantage of injuries, quietly had a very good rookie season. Can't wait to see what he's able to do once the team is back next year playing alongside Steph and Klay. Just love this kid.
     
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    The mini camp bubble is about to start up very soon. Guys will start to report and go through testing and individual workouts. Then they’ll come together and we might get some scrimmages live on tv, I believe. It’s gonna be fun to just see the guys back out there. It’s been 14 to nearly 15 months since we’ve seen Klay, too. No clue what level of participation he’ll have but his people keep hyping him up so we will see! Either way, hopefully we will see a little bit of Chriss/Green/Wiggins/Thompson/Curry.
     
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    You know, I have to add on... because based on what we've seen in the playoffs to this point, I do believe the championship window is even more wide open for the Warriors to take another one more than ever. Yeah, the core is in their 30s and yeah, teams like the Clippers/Lakers/Nuggets/Mavericks/Jazz/Blazers will be tough. But if Klay can get back to a level even a tier down from where he was at during Game 6 a year ago, and if Dray can find his 2014-16 self and they add a couple vets... I believe they can win next year, if not at the very least returning back to the WCF. Curry is damn good, so I don't even need to mention much about him.

    Next year has all the makings of... "In case y'all forgot" year.
     
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    THIS!!
    I am in full on flame war (good natured mostly) with my Laker fan buddy. I keep calling them the McDonalds of basketball. And “you might as well be a Cowboys fan”. Lol. I want to shut his dumb face up so bad. Lol
     
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    Meh, saw that The Chronicle posted saying Curry and Draymond won’t be part of the mini camp bubble. Dray’s fiancée is due soon and Curry cited family reasons so unfortunate we won’t get to see them but no harm no foul. Klay wasn’t mentioned as sitting out so there’s hope for that. I mean, his only family close by is Rocco so...

    But aside from that, everyone else will be there along with a handful of Santa Cruz guys including Jonathan Simmons, if you remember him most notably from his Spurs days.
     
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    Simmons was good in San Antonio. Not sure what happened in Orlando, where his career went down the drain...
     
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    Considering the unknown financial situation of the NBA and whether or not the Warriors plan to spend, he could be a nice, cheap one year deal wing off the bench option for the Dubs. He had options but ultimately chose Santa Cruz to showcase he still has it and revitalize his career in this organization. So hopefully, he can show the coaching staff something enough to garner him a spot. Not saying he should be the only option, but considering the lack of wing depth versatility this current roster has... any vet with good experience is a plus.
     

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