Random Warrior thoughts

Discussion in 'All Things Warriors' started by Rob, Jul 20, 2010.

  1. Money

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    It's not a hurdle like a problem or flaw, its one tool/weapon in his belt. And its very useful at times.
    But to the extent that it disrupts the flow of the other two all stars, he needs to figure out how to be a part of that motion offense, how can he best serve it, etc...

    Klay is not great at creating for himself. His best offense is curling off screens for a catch and shoot. That is how he gets himself going.
    He can't do that if KD is just standing on the opposite side of the floor watching, waiting for the bail out ball.
     
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    Well, while everything Money says is right, there's something else that explains Klay's numbers without KD... the simple amount of shots suddenly available. KD is the focal point of our offense when he plays, so, suddenly, everybody else becomes much more important because they need to replace him and there are a lot more opportunities for everybody, particularly for Klay, because he clearly is the third option of our offense when everybody is healthy.

    It's a simple take on the issue, but it's also one that's not wrong. If your team has to rely more on you, and you're a great shooter, you're gonna have better numbers and your role will be more important. It's just a matter of opportunity.

    With that said, which is an extremely simple take, everything Money says about integrating KD more into the motion offense is true. But it hasn't happened and it's hard to see it happening at this point. This team plays differently when KD is injured or on the bench because it has to. KD can score on anybody, Klay needs to have some space (minimum, but some) and that's why he plays better into a motion offense like we run when KD is not on the court. And certainly there's some room for improvement, to integrate KD more, but that's not his game and doesn't seem like it's going to be anytime soon, imo.

    I've got no problem with iso basketball with the best scorer on the planet, tho. If there's a guy that you have to give some more leeway, it's him.
     
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    leeway... that's the reason why Kerr hasn't ever insisted on KD getting into the flow of that offense.
    Thing is, if he did make an effort to integrate himself, he'd add yet another aspect to his game and become that much better of an overall player.
    A real effort on his part in that area would make this team virtually unbeatable.
     
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    If KD is unwilling to go with the Warrior's flow... I just assume he go :D
     
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    Did you watch the video I posted TMC? I think you are definitely, in part, correct about Klay's shooting, but... the passing/flow is off when KD is sitting in the corner, or playing PG. The motion from the rest of the offense just looks wrong. You can see the hesitation.
     
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    KD is the neutralizer. You go to him when you absolutely need a bucket because there is no one that can stop his post ups. It’s Nowitzki level. And as soon as you go to help on him, you’re vulnerable to Klay or Curry being wide open. And if you have Iggy and Green knocking down 3s, it’s even worse.

    This team is great without KD. But he puts them way over the top when you need him the most.

    That being said, the games in which he wasn’t shooting as much and was playing more into the rhythm of the offense, that was kind of a sneak peak at what it could look like. But we’ll have to see if we even get a chance to see the repertoire get built first.
     
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    Yes, I did. And I'm not saying Money or you are wrong, far from that.

    What I'm saying is that running a team like this requires more than coaching. A big part is managing egos. And KD isn't going to change the way he plays because he doesn't have to, as he's able to score over anybody on any situation you put him. So it's easier for him to play iso basketball than changing the way he plays completely. And, at this point of his career, he's not gonna change that much.

    The part about the hesitation is because the rest of the team has to adapt to him and the way he plays. They can't run a conventional motion offense when one of the guys is on an island most of the time, because he takes out a part of the court just for him. So probably the team would need to adapt to him and him to the team a bit, run things differently, but we can't expect to play the same kind of offense when KD is on the court. And it's not easy to adapt to that, because there's not enough time for coaching and practice in the NBA with so many games and so many rivals. You can prepare a few set plays, and that's what I think Kerr does for this situation. But the flow is off as compared to our motion offense when KD doesn't play because the team has to play differently. In that regard, the team is the one adapting to KD, not the other way around.

    Still, when KD's shots are falling, which happens more often than not, this team is nearly unstoppable. So if we have to change our offense for him, I think it's worth it.
     
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    Colin Cowherd announced, on his show this morning, that a current player in the know (wouldn't name him) says KD to NY is 100%, and KD has already reached out to other players.
     
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    That's what everybody that follows the league closely has been saying for months, even the Knicks (not openly in their case, obviously).

    And he's already talked to other players about it, that's a fact. Kyrie is one of them, Anthony Davis is another (even tho he's under contract, but the Knicks could have a pretty good package to send to New Orleans if they have some luck with the lottery tonight) and there are more...

    I've always rejected those rumors, but more out of pure fandom than anything else. Deep down, I was aware he had made up his mind a while ago. I guess I was mostly hoping for a late change of mind that led him to reconsider it.
     
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    I'll just be happy when that whole saga is over!! I love watching KD play ball.. The only thing that sucks is that Klay will sign for the Max and we will pay draymond too.. and our bench will be thinned out. They will need to get really creative and get some good draft picks coming up.
     
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    The media has driven the narrative so hard of KD going to New York. They want him to leave Golden State so bad that they’re taking ANYTHING (and everything) and selling it hard that it makes it so believable.

    Believe it when you see it, fellas. Don’t get sucked into this whole “he said, she said” crap.

    If he leaves, he leaves. If he stays, he stays. Either way, these last 7 years have been incredible. And there’s still a few more years of high level play with or without KD.
     
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    Opinion piece: KD lists himself as 6'9" because he thinks it's the sexiest height to tell the ladies.
     
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    That's a short (opinion) piece! :p
     
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    Oh man, Shannon Sharp really gives it to KD...

     
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    Broussard has gone too far. You see where KD fired back at him on the tweeter?


    Anyway, if KD and Cousins make it back for the finals, I think Kerr should strongly consider (under the guise of "bringing them back in slowly") having two separate units.

    1. Steph, Klay, Dray, and whoever else they want to start as the first unit.
    2. KD and Cousins coming off the bench with another unit. (with maybe either Steph or Klay but not both)

    Two completely different looks to throw at the Bucks/Raptors. Ball movement vs. Iso/post up game.

    Then, once it starts working, he'll have an excuse to keep that rotation.
    Just something to try.
     
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    KD won't come off the bench. I can see Cousins coming off the bench (because, who cares... if he doesn't like it, it's no big deal, he probably won't be back next year), but not KD. No way.

    It's not that it doesn't make sense, but it's a matter of managing egos. KD won't accept coming from the bench, even if he closes games and plays 40 minutes per game. It's just not happening.
     
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    Dude, KD is not coming off the bench if he comes back. Not happening.

    One thing i did like when Cousins was playing, was the 2nd unit's play with Cousins and Klay. But if KD is back, he starts.
     
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    I think that is an absolutely great idea Money.
     
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    At this point I don't want KD back. He's just going to fuck up the flow. We need Iggy though.
     

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