Discussion in 'All Things Warriors' started by Rob, Jul 20, 2010.
Again, this is to post certain thoughts that aren't worth creating a thread for.
So anyway, Matt Barnes was on KNBR with Ralph and Tom today and he was talking a little bit about his Warrior days. Tom asked him what were the good and bad things about playing for Don Nelson... Immediately Barnes mentions the bad and that he enterd Nellies doghouse without ever knowing how he got there. Basically he said that year, his mom was dying of cancer and he was commuting from sacramento all the time, and somehow ended up in nellies doghouse. Once you're in there, there is no way out , unless you leave the club. Interesting tidbit.
Barnes was very honest the whole interview, and was gracious for getting a chance and said Nellie was innovative, but also mentioned they didn't practice much defense.
Barnes has good spirit and despite his reputation as a thug on the court, he seems like a decent guy. I'm not surprised by those things he said (once you're in Nellie's doghouse there's no way out; not practicing much defense). Can't wait to get a new coach, front office, and philosophy.
Every player that has ever played for Nellie says the same thing... they do NOT practice defense. Everytime I say this on the other board the Nellie defenders say "dude, what are you THERE at pratice! you are just a hater!" not sure how many times it needs to be said before someone get it. all you have to do is watch them play to tell they dont practice defense.
hey john, congrats... you are our first Jr. Varsity member! Congrats on the promotion from Youth Athlete! :thumbsup:
Defense /meh who needs it
Anyway I want to throw congratz to John as well. Nothing but excellent posts from him. Gracias!
Thanks fellas. I just hope that one day I get my letterman.
And yeah, I'm not too hopeful that the team will see a massive defensive improvement as long as Nellie is the coach; the best I am hoping for is that some players take the initiative on their own, as Reggie Williams has vowed to do.
We all know and have heard over and over and over that " :chug: " (thats what Im referring to him as now, I will not speak his name anymore) does not care about or preach defense to his players.
Every player thats had the stones to speak out about him has confirmed it............and you just have to have played some decent level ball, or know abit about the game, to be able to see it out there on the court.
Man, so glad we are not surrounded by the kool aid fantasy fan boys anymore.
Anyway, Ive also always felt............even though the one thing " :chug: " is perhaps praised for is our offense............when I watch us on offense, it always feels like the good stuff happens, almost by accident.
Just always looks and feels like broken plays to me, that are saved by the individual brilliance of one of our players............this is highlighted by just how easy it is for an opposing team to run a simple play and execute through our "ohhlay!" defenders on the other end.
May just be my extreme hatred for " :chug: " but when I watch us on offense I am always left with a feeling of "Phew" and on defense Im left with "Well, saw that coming a million miles away"..............any thoughts?
Hmm, well you might know Bigs that I'm not 100% anti-Nellie. I'm going to be ok if we get a new coach or if he stays for one more season. If he stays I don't think he'll do "much" damage, but I do see him getting Curry and Lee to click. I agree with you when it comes to Nellie and defense. I don't agree with you on Nellie and offense. I think the Warriors are exceptional on the offensive end of the court and that is in spite of not having had a good scoring option in the low post, which they do now in Lee!
I will say at times it does look like the Warriors run some broken plays, I don't think that can be avoided by any team, but when everyone is passing the Warriors offense is a thing of beauty.
I know this isn't reasonable, but part of me is hoping that if Smart can get the reigns without Nellie breathing down his neck, he'll play Nellie style offense AND inject some defense into their style. A very very long shot, but I'd like to see it.
Don't worry, it's contagious. A couple more seasons and you'll be one of us... :lol:
Kawakami is still really pissed about the David Lee trade. He's tweeting about it again.
Lee and Love are both great rebounders and crappy defenders. The difference is Lee is also a great scorer and Love isn't. I like Love but I'd take Lee over Love any day of the week.
Me too. Both are similar players, but I think Love is a slightly better defender (although I haven't seen much of him) and Lee is a MUCH better offensive player. I'm perfectly happy with the one we got... although Love would have been better from a financial point of view, at least short term.
I'd prefer Love so much more over Lee. Love defends and is only going to get better, Lee won't get any better. The trade was awful anyway, to me at least
I was mostly worried about the contract, the length and the big money. Now that things are settling down, I want to see how this team runs. We still have a lack of overall talent and depth.
the money is what scares me the most about lee. We lost a LOT of future flexibility with this trade. What that means is that Lee BETTER make us SUBSTANTIALLY better or this contract is going to start looking terrible very quickly. The player himself I like, his contact I HATE!
I agree, its like, the money is fine for a 20/10 guy, however, he better be a 20/10 guy here! Consistently, it no longer allows for, he plays hard and he's a good guy, even though he's a 14/8 guy. It's like Aaron Rowand of the Giants... I just hope he plays up to that level.
Based on your description of Lee antagonist i guess i would fit in that category... Well lets say I'm not against what he brings to the club or his skill set, my point is he needs to live up to that standard or else he becomes a Rowand like figure. I'm sure you , Rolling bear, are not a rowand fan, correct? It's a little different because baseball, you have to take into account different ballparks, but my concern with Lee is that he was a hustle guy that was on a roster with nobody on a lousy team, and he's paid like an all star. He just better come close to justifying that.
one more thing, this is the offseason, so watching him play will probably change some opinions, i think for now, us Lee antagonists as you call us wanted the Warriors to be close to stripped down with Curry and free money for the new regime to build from the ground up.
well 32 (man, after all the time not even a introduction post huh?),
I have said many times that for me I would have rather done NOTHING this offseason. WIth the combined elements of a new ownership and front office regime coming in AND the looming major changes in the CBA it did not make a lot of sense to do something NOW.
We dont even know who our coach is... with all of the upcoming changes, I would have like to see them BUILD the right way..meaning bringing in players that fit the scheme of what the coach is trying to do rather than a coach coming in and having to adapt to the roster.
Additionally by every indication, FA is going to change in the next CBA. Lower contract values, shorter max contract lengths, and more incentive for players to remain on their current team. Most of these contract given out this off season or going to hold up TERRIBLY against the new financial landscape.
That being said, he is a fine player... the fact that is he one of the worst defenders in the league concerns me, but if we surround him with good defenders I dont think it will be much of a problem. Could have been a much worse trade but again, it is not so much the player, but just that I would rather have done nothing and sit out this offseason and BUILD once we have everything in place (Coach and GM)
That's true, it also depends on this ownerships desire. One, if they had a hand in getting Lee, that makes me feel better about having him. Two, if they can pay him the money, which yearly increases, and not let it hinder the accumulation of talent later on if his play is below the contract value. It's difficult trying to weight the positives and negatives sometimes because I still think of the old regime and the moves they made previously.
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