Random NFL Thoughts

Discussion in 'NFL' started by xbay, Aug 2, 2010.

  1. TMC

    TMC Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    11,361
    Likes Received:
    337
    Trophy Points:
    83
    And in other news this week... DeSean Jackson lost his f*cking mind. The little sanity he had, at least... :rolleyes:
     
  2. MadBallers

    MadBallers NBA All-Star

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2010
    Messages:
    5,622
    Likes Received:
    261
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Alameda, CA
    DeSean Jackson has always been an idiot, so not a huge surprise. But man, he said some pretty bad stuff and is paying the price.
     
  3. xbay

    xbay NBA 1st Team All Pro Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2010
    Messages:
    8,858
    Likes Received:
    208
    Trophy Points:
    63
    I’m curious as to what it would take to remove Dan Snyder. The name change, whether you cared if it changed or not, only occurred because their top sponsors threatened to leave. But to top it off, this sexual harassment story is embarrassing and disgusting. When this happened with the Dallas Mavericks, Mark Cuban spoke up, apologized and made some great decisions on who he brought in on the executive staff. Though it’s still fresh off the press, Dan Snyder has been silent. And if he stays that way tomorrow, no one will be surprised.

    But just like Jerry Richardson, this dude should not get a pass and be held accountable.
     
  4. TMC

    TMC Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    11,361
    Likes Received:
    337
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Should not, but I think he will get a pass. Look at what had to happen for the NBA to force Donald Sterling out, and the NFL never was that progressive to begin with (although I hope that's starting to change). I think Snyder ain't going anywhere.
     
  5. xbay

    xbay NBA 1st Team All Pro Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2010
    Messages:
    8,858
    Likes Received:
    208
    Trophy Points:
    63
    All the players are calling out the NFL on the lack of a response and protocol on what training camp and the season will look like in this current climate. I mean... camps on days away and they’ve had months to at least come out with something to have negotiations. What a squander by the NFL.
     
  6. TMC

    TMC Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    11,361
    Likes Received:
    337
    Trophy Points:
    83
    They probably were waiting for the virus to go away. I mean, that's what Trump has been saying all along, right? :mad:
     
  7. xbay

    xbay NBA 1st Team All Pro Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2010
    Messages:
    8,858
    Likes Received:
    208
    Trophy Points:
    63
    For some reason, I could totally believe Roger Goodell thinking that, too.

    I just find it so strange that a franchise like the Dolphins have put in so much effort in an action plan to bring fans back in safely to their stadium this season and the league still has yet to come out with their own for the players 10 days out from camps... because ya know, the fans can safely come watch, but there might not be any players lol
     
  8. bada

    bada Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2008
    Messages:
    13,610
    Likes Received:
    262
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    East Bay
    Interesting topic and timely for me as 2 of my 6 staff members are native people... both from the Navajo tribe.

    So Native American is not liked at all. Indian is actually more accepted. Here is a video that explains it: [MEDIA[/MEDIA]

    Anyway, I asked them about the Chiefs, Indians, etc. Really feel less about the name, then the mascots and chants and stuff like that. Anyway, here is her reply when I asked:

    First:
    YES the Washington football team should have changed their names a long time ago. It is THE most derogatory name (next to Squaw) that you can say. The Native community, pretty much across the board hated it.

    Third: Sadly I want to let you know that the Cleveland Indians, Atlanta Braves, and yes the Chiefs are problematic. The Cleveland team does a stupid tomahawk chop during their games...and they have Chief Wahoo...come on now.

    And as for the Chiefs...The hard part there is the war chants, the whooping, the tomahawk chop...This depiction of Native Americans is fairly problematic.

    War Chants are sacred. It is a rite of passage if a tribe has to go into war. You go through a ton of ceremonies. It's not for a football game. Even the word Pow Wow...it is a ceremonial act...not a word to be slung around the office.

    The problem here is that we have been historically misrepresented through the media, and I think that in part, it was because we really were never supposed to survive the mass genocide that happened to us. The Long Walk, the Trail of Tears, etc. (That is my opinion). The folks that colonized us really did their best to try and wipe us out. Andrew Jackson and sadly Lincoln were no fans of the Native folks here. Native mascotry is the most-repeated image of Native people in this country. It is the product of a long, horrific history in which the government of the United States has committed genocide against Native peoples, stolen their lands from them (often through forced removal), forced their children into schools with the intent to eradicate them of their Native culture and entered into treaties with Native nations and then broken those treaties whenever they became at all inconvenient.

    The idea that Native mascots honor Native people is really kinda bogus. It doesn't. If folks wanna honor Native people, they can
    A.) Get curious and ask questions about our culture
    B.) Understand the history of Native folks. Even current history like DAPL.
    C.) Learn whose land you are on and share that with others.
    D.) In the end you can't force honor on a people. And historically what has been done has not been very 'honoring'.
    There are so many other ways to honor Native people. Like talking about honoring treaties Native Nations signed with the U.S. Government. All treaties have been broken and Native people are constantly protecting their sovereignty in federal and state courts. We are constantly trying to get the U.S. government to live up to their treaty obligations but this hasn’t happened. It’s a constant struggle!

    And frankly, if you are 'honoring' a people by using a mascot, that is racist and a cover up for some fairly racist stuff that has happened during colonization.
    The irony to me is that they took us to boarding school, stripped a whole set of people from the language, their culture, their tradition and their land, and then oh all of a sudden we are going to take an image and say we are 'honoring' you...hmmmmm nah. It's just weird.

    Add to the fact (and I have witnessed this as a ref), when you get some teams playing against a native team, oh lordy...the racism that you hear from the stands is really gross.

    Then every Halloween or whenever they want, non-Native people take our identity as costumes or romanticize identity of the “Plains Indians”. If folks only knew some of the hardships out on the Rez...the lack of running water, electricity, it's weird this romanticism without a real sense of what is happening.

    The continued use of Native mascots, nicknames and Native themes in sports dehumanizes our image as real people. It doesn't really help kids self-confidence either because then they think of themselves in some surreal context and not as a regular person.
     
    xbay, MadBallers, TMC and 1 other person like this.
  9. TMC

    TMC Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    11,361
    Likes Received:
    337
    Trophy Points:
    83
    WTF? So Washington is retiring the Redskins name... but won't have one for next season, calling themselves the "Washington Football Team"?!?!?!?! Wtf is going on? How can you retire your old name and NOT HAVE A F*CKING PLAN TO REPLACE IT?!?!?! Holy f*ck...

    Oh, but it gets worse. They plan to sell merchandise!!!!




    Then again, they could call themselves the Washington Krakens. I guess that'd be even worse...:p
     
  10. xbay

    xbay NBA 1st Team All Pro Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2010
    Messages:
    8,858
    Likes Received:
    208
    Trophy Points:
    63
    They never had a plan because they never planned to change the name until FedEx, Nike and other big businesses came knocking. Dan Snyder strikes again!
     
  11. TMC

    TMC Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    11,361
    Likes Received:
    337
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Sure.

    But then, why don't you keep the name for one season? I mean, go public with a statement that says that you're going to use this year to research and decide on a new name and that the Redskins name will be retired on July 1st, 2021.

    Nobody would complain, because you've already given them a date to change the name, and you have time to look for a new one.

    But no, they do everything without thinking first. So now, you're the "Washington Football Team".

    And they intend to profit from it by selling merchandise!!!! It's amazing, really...
     
    Chum likes this.
  12. Chum

    Chum NBA 1st Team All Pro

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2010
    Messages:
    9,420
    Likes Received:
    100
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Eugene, Oregon
    Yeah, having no name is just stupid.
     
  13. TMC

    TMC Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    11,361
    Likes Received:
    337
    Trophy Points:
    83
    The Seattle Kraken should play their first season calling themselves "The Real Washington Hockey Team". Just to troll Snyder...
     
    Money likes this.
  14. xbay

    xbay NBA 1st Team All Pro Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2010
    Messages:
    8,858
    Likes Received:
    208
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Considering how some social media teams operate, I wouldn’t be surprised if they did. Would be great engagement for them.
     
  15. TMC

    TMC Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    11,361
    Likes Received:
    337
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Not sure what's going to happen with the upcoming NFL season. Lots of players are opting-out of the season due to the virus: Hightower and Chung are out for the Pats, Goldman is out for the Bears, Lotulelei is out for the Bills... there will be plenty more opting-one once the season gets closer. And with no plans yet about how to deal with the season other than playing without fans or with extremely limited attendance.

    It's going to be a tough year for the NFL.
     
  16. MadBallers

    MadBallers NBA All-Star

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2010
    Messages:
    5,622
    Likes Received:
    261
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Alameda, CA
    They have baseball as their test system and it is not going well. Half the Miami Marlins team is positive for Covid after 4 days. If an NFL QB gets the virus and has to miss 2 weeks, that just screws your team. I think it will get worse in baseball, but they will carry on as long as a player doesn't get seriously ill or die. The NFL may have to push out the start of the season and lower the games to maybe 10 or 12. Also make even more of an attempt to keep teams traveling the minimum amount possible.
     
  17. xbay

    xbay NBA 1st Team All Pro Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2010
    Messages:
    8,858
    Likes Received:
    208
    Trophy Points:
    63
    I wonder if they’re at least considering divisional and regional only like the MLB. No sense in a west coast team playing an east coast team and vice versa.

    And if they did a bubble, it’d be way more complicated than the NBA since the roster sizes are over 4 times larger.

    No idea how they get this safely done.
     
  18. TMC

    TMC Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    11,361
    Likes Received:
    337
    Trophy Points:
    83
    The bubble can't work in the NFL. Not from the beginning of the season, with all the teams and such huge rosters, even more considering all the moves an NFL team makes during the season. The NBA bubble can work because it's a short-term deal, a few games and playoffs. That's it. It's a way to end a season that was heading already into the playoffs. But you can't put the whole NFL in a bubble, imho.

    As for travel issues... obviously there won't be any London games this year, but I don't see a big deal with playing anywhere, because it's not like they will be taking regular flights, and they play fewer games than any other sport. I think it can be contained and teams can be able to travel with enough safety.

    How to keep that safety during the game and the whole season of training is a different matter, tho.
     
  19. TMC

    TMC Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    11,361
    Likes Received:
    337
    Trophy Points:
    83
    More and more players opting out... Nate Solder, Damien Williams, Michael Pierce, Funchess, John Atkins, Marquise Goodwin... They will continue dropping over the next few days.
     
  20. TMC

    TMC Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    11,361
    Likes Received:
    337
    Trophy Points:
    83
    More players opting-out: CJ Mosley, Geronimo Allison, Olawale, E.J. Gaines, the Pats already have lost 8 players for next season...
     

Share This Page