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    True, might have gone with Hill as well. In fact, it should be a QB, but I was just thinking outside the most important position in the game. And Hill was magnificent for the Chiefs.

    Wagner had an amazing season, no doubt about it. If Donald weren't such a force of nature, Wagner would be up there for the DPOY, for sure.
     
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    I know it's not gonna happen because home field advantage is huge in the NFL playoffs, so the superbowl should be New Orleans vs Kansas City, but it'd be great to watch the Ravens and Bears in the game. Loved how those two defenses played this year, carrying their teams all the way to the playoffs (because both offenses are vere average, and I'm being generous).

    Then again, the best game of the playoffs, if everything goes according to plan, should be the Rams at New Orleans. That's going to be a huge one, even more than the SB itself. I think the team that comes out of the NFC should win the SB. And probably wouldn't predict that if not for the Kareem Hunt situation the Chiefs had to went through.
     
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    Damn, the two best defenses in football are already out of the playoffs...
     
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    Interesting hire by the Cards going with Kingsbury as their HC. It took them just a few hours after their interview to make him an offer to coach the team.

    I like it when teams go outside the box and just find a trait they want to get behind in a coach and follow that plan all the way. Not sure if that's what happened here, considering how the Cards went from hiring Wilks last season to firing him after one year and signing now Kingsbury. I think it's a good hire, but I'm not sure if it follows a plan the Cards have (pretty sure they don't, not sure why Keim still has a job) or just decided to follow a trend and look for their own McVay. It certainly looks a lot more like the latter.

    In any case, I like Kingsbury and I think that, if given time, he'll be successful in the NFL.
     
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    They were breaking it down on the radio this morning, and the Cards actually had a paragraph in the presser mentioning Kingsbury's friendship with McVay.. which was odd to me. They were also comparing the two, where McVay at a young age has tons of NFL experience, and Kingsbury does not. He also has not had much success as a college head coach, even in comparison to previous head coaches at Texas Tech. It may be a good hire.. but for the rest of the division.
     
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    I said interesting, and he certainly has a track record of coaching good college QBs. That matters. Then again, he's new to the NFL world, and we'll see what kind of staff he can gather.

    So I think it's a good hire in the sense that he's an offensive mind, and I think Arizona needs an offensive mind right now. But it does come with plenty of risks.

    Also, not related with the quality of the hiring per se, but if he wanted to see what was available at the NFL, he should have never taken the USC position. That was a sh*tty move by him.

    With that said, I think it can be a good hire, only time will tell... but it's certainly an interesting one.
     
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    They are hoping Kingsbury is the next McVay, but he needs to do what the Rams coach did and bring in an experienced Defensive coordinator and make him assistant head coach. McVay was smart and hired Wade Philips, and excellent DC and former head coach. Kingsbury had amazing offensives at Texas Tech, but his sub .500 record was a result of terrible defense. And Let's face it, a major reason he was hired is b/c he coached Patrick Mahomes.
     
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    So many of the remaining HC vacancies are filling already:

    - Vic Fangio will be the HC of the Broncos. I love Fangio, but I don't know if it's the right situation for him. It's not easy working for Elway, and it's not easy becoming the HC of the Broncos, a team that has plenty of talent on defense, but who needs to find an identity on offense. I think Fangio would have been a great choice for a team looking for an identity on defense, like Tampa or Green Bay, but the Broncos is a tough job for him.

    - Adam Gase is going to be the HC of the Jets. I like Gase, and think he's a brilliant offensive mind, but his Miami tenure has been difficult. He's got the rep that he's entitled, opinionated and hard to work with, and also his Dolphin's offense wasn't particularly productive (then again, it's not like he had a ton of talent to work with). Think didn't particularly ended nicely in Miami between him and the owner. I'm surprised he got another chance so soon, but it's an intriguing signing.

    - Matt LaFleur is the new Packers coach. He's has plenty of experience working with McVay and Kyle Shanahan, and I understand the Packers want to have a more innovative offense, because it was stagnant under McCarthy. Not sure he's ready, but he's another interesting name. Still, I would have gone with Fangio as HC for the Packers, adding a young OC to run the offense instead. Time will tell...
     
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    NFL has officially gone crazy with all these trades and deals...
     
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    For sure, but it does make for some interesting drama. The draft next month should be fun to watch, and maybe more trades.
     
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    Draft almost here... lets hear it fellas... who are you hoping your team drafts in round 1?
     
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    Bosa if he's available, Quinnen Williams if Bosa goes number 1. I'd love to see the niners front 4 get some pressure consistently this year. That would help ease some of the secondary issues, and lets face it.. watching a good pass rush is so fun to watch.
     
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    Well, Bosa won't be available at #5, Quinnen Williams is unlikely, so that leaves three very good players on the board: Ed Oliver, Devin White and Josh Allen. I'd be really happy with any of them.
     
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    I want the Raiders to draft Josh Allen, for some reason I think Williams is over rated.
     
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    Oh man... I think Williams is the best player in the draft. I think he is a sure fire lock to be an all-pro in the league. I would take him #1.
     
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    I would, too, without thinking twice.

    From the top 6, I think Josh Allen is the one that scares me the most. Has A LOT of potential, but I think other guys are safest picks. I think you know what you get with Quinnen and Devin White, and to a certain extent with Bosa (I know he's good... just not sure how good). Ed Oliver and Allen are the high-upside picks, but also the ones that can be most uncertain.

    Now that we're talking about the draft...

    I'm just not sure about the QBs. There's nobody here that I would take as a #1 overall pick. I think Murray is good, but there are issues (really, size matters... Russ is amazing, but usually size matters), I think Daniel Jones is overrated, and I like Haskins, but I've got plenty of doubts with him as well.

    As for RBs, I really, really like Miles Sanders, even above Josh Jacobs, who's the top prospect on everybody's mind.

    And if you need a WR, I think N'Keal Harry is going to be really good, and I've seen him falling to the second round in several mocks. I think he's better than Metcalf or anybody else I've seen above him in most mocks.
     
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    Yup, to me Williams is the best prospect in the draft... and not even particularly close. Physically he is incredible... we all know that. But what seals it for me is his mind. Such a smart football guy. Supposedly at the combine, he left teams with their jaw on the floor regarding his understanding of schemes. We whiteboarded defensive schemes and offensive line schemes and they said his ability to do so was the best they had ever seen from a DT and was on par with the smartest QB's they have seen.

    I get wanting an edge guy (Bosa/Allen) but to me, a disruptive and penetrating interior guy is so much more impactful. I honestly don't know how any of the teams in the top 3 can pass on him. Especially for the Niners given Bosa's injury history and MAGA loving ways.
     
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    How good must Williams be if he's overrated, yet still unquestionably worth a #1 pick !!!

    part of me wants Arizona to take Bosa to make the decision easier to select Williams. I do not want Josh Allen.. from the little i've seen of him, he gets most of his pressure purely on speed, so i'd be concerned about him getting stood up at the line.

    I am concerned about Bosa's injury issues, not so much about the MAGA stuff.
     
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    Well, I talked about our teams in their respective threads, but I don't want to go without posting about the most demented, ridiculous draft I've seen in years... The NY Giants. Are we sure Gettleman realizes he works for that Giants now? Maybe he thinks he's still getting paid by the Panthers...

    Taking Daniel Jones at #6 is a major reach. In fact, taking him in the first round should be considered a reach. Just an awful, awful pick. The Raiders took Ferrell way too high, but the major criticism of that pick is not getting enough value for a #4 overall pick, because I think Ferrell is going to be good (although the guy I liked the most from the Clemson group is Christian Wilkins, taken by Miami at #13). The Raiders was a bad pick, this Giants choice is a f*cking disaster.

    Also, if Gettleman wanted a QB, Lock and Haskins were better options. And one of them was going to be available with their second first rounder. Heck, Jones would have been available there, no doubt about it, and he's worse than both those guys.

    And then they went and took Dexter Lawrence with the #17 pick. And Lawrence is going to be a nice player (although a run stuffer primarily, which doesn't bode well in terms of value for a #17 overall pick), but they had huge holes to fill in the O-line. So, if you take a bad QB at six, at least have the decency to draft someone that can protect him. So what they got from OBJ were Jibrill Peppers and a run stuffer, plus a third-round pick.

    And to finish their draft, they traded up, giving up three picks in order to take a CB, Deandre Baker, at the end of the first round. And it probably has been their nicest pick all day, but still, there was no need to trade up, with plenty of CBs still available in the second round and not much difference between them. Still, I think Baker can develop into a starting CB, so I guess it's not the worst move they made.

    I guess no GM has been fired mid-draft, but I really doubt we'll ever see a more justifiable moment to do so....
     
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    Get ready for the next wave of Free Agency today at 1pm. That is when signing unrestricted Free Agents no longer count against the compensatory draft pick calculation.

    I am hoping the Seahawks can ink Ziggy Ansah
     

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