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  1. MadBallers

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    And another thing, my Raider season tickets are expensive, but nothing like Warriors tickets. The NFL is heading down the NBA road with these ballooning contracts, and tickets will soon price out the middle class fan. I only have 2 more seasons (including this one) to pay for my seats and maybe that is for the best.

    All this being said...I am ready for some FOOTBALL!!!
     
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    i don't think players are going to sacrifice for the good of the team with all of the concussion issues going around. Players are right to maximize what they earn, considering how they may end up. If anything, the salary cap level itself is a joke with how much money the NFL makes. I think its there just to not make the "poorer" owners look inept.
     
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    The owners are going to lock the players out big time for the next league contract. I don't care about the money, its the blow up the contracts of the highest paid players with every deal that is an issue. No D lineman should make as much as the top 3 QB's. They need a pay structure in the next league contract.
     
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    I think its ridiculous that the market is set from one player, which allows the next player to get more money. I think players should get what they value, but there is always a risk of losing a guy because another owner will overpay. I can't say that an elite pass rusher isn't worth elite money. There is obviously a market for that. It is crippling when 2 or 3 guys can take up 30% of the cap or so. I don't like it, but i cant imagine telling players they should get less, when they are putting themselves on the line for that payday.
     
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    Totally agree with Rob here. The NFL is a short career, where players risk injury in any given play, and the league it's making a ton of money, so it makes sense their contracts get bigger and bigger with each new deal. That's how the market works (and how it should work, mind you).

    Also, keep in mind that contracts in the NFL are a different kind of animal, they're not guaranteed like most NBA deals, players can be cut at any given time, so I think it's only natural that generational talents kind of "break" the market with any new deal.

    I think Donald is the best defensive player in football, and I think it's a good thing he signed this deal. The Rams are not done spending, because in two years they'll have to sign Goff and Marcus Peters to extensions, and those aren't going to be cheap, so they'll have to let go most of their other stars, there's just not enough room under the cap to keep everybody.

    So Donald and Cooks and Gurley and all those guys signing those deals is good for them, but also for free agency, because more talent is available for other teams.

    The QB market being broken time after time is an entirely different matter, tho. It's the most important position in sports, an extremely hard to master position, and truth is, there are maybe 20 good QBs in the league, and that's counting guys on their rookie deals. It's only natural that each new contract is bigger than the previous one, but due to scarcity.


    Finally, I don't get the Raiders entertaining the idea of trading Mack. You just don't trade elite defensive players, you sign them long term and work to build a defense around them. Mack is one of those elite players. I've read that the Raiders are asking for two first-rounders, or a first round and several high picks, to consider trading him. Well, you fuck up those picks (and the Raiders drafting record is not particularly great lately) and you've closed your window yourself.

    I can understand letting go good starters that are not elite talents for cap reasons. But you don't do that with elite pass rushers because the risk of not being able to replace them is too big. Look at the Bucs, we're still trying to replace Simeon Rice since he retired...
     
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    Signing Mack to that deal destroys the Raiders salary cap. He is a stud, but not worth it. If the rams do not win the Super Bowl in the next year or two, they are screwed. Coach Belichek would never sign a non QB to that kind of deal and that is why the Pats have so many Super Bowls. The Steelers would never sign a player to that kind of deal and that is why they have so many super bowls.
     
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    You play to have a chance to win the superbowl. The Rams are doing the right thing, and their current window is going to be much longer than two years, because the key players they're signing are still young. They'll need to replace the guys that leave, tho, and that's why drafting is key in order to remain a contender, but they're doing the right thing.

    As for the Pats, they have the best coach and, arguably, the best QB of all time. They are not a blueprint for anything because you won't ever get another Tom Brady or another Belichick.

    And, if they had invested more on defense, they probably would have had a couple more rings. Last year they couldn't stop the Eagles at all. And Atlanta almost beat them the previous season.

    As for the Steelers, they're very selective with the guys they sign to big deals. They have no problem doing that for guys they consider premium at their position and who would have a very long career (like Antonio Brown), but reject the idea of signing guys long term when they play positions that are more easily replace (Le'Veon Bell). They've invested a lot in their DEs and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't let someone like Mack get away. A good pass rusher is invaluable, always a premium position. That's why you rarely see one in the prime of his career make it to free agency.
     
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    Alright, here are my predictions for this year:

    NFC:

    Teams that make the playoffs: Los Angeles Rams, Philadelphia, Minnesota, New Orleans, Green Bay and NY Giants (although Atlanta and Chicago will be there fighting for the last wildcard spot til the very end).

    NFC title game: Los Angeles Rams over Philly.

    AFC:

    Teams that make the playoffs: New England, Jacksonville, Pittsburgh, LA Chargers, Houston, Baltimore (with Denver and the Titans in there for the last two wildcard spots).

    AFC Title game: Jacksonville over New England.


    Superbowl: Los Angeles Rams over Jacksonville.
     
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    Imo... the Raiders are nuts for letting Mack go. He's in the argument for best defensive player in the league, and he's a QB killer. That's the kind of player you shell out the big bucks for.

    Da Bears.
     
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    Pretty good NFL picks TMC. I do not think the Rams will win the Super Bowl however, Goff is just not good enough yet.
     
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    I'm a big believer in McVay and nasty defenses (hence the Rams vs Jags superbowl). I think they have a chance, but the NFC is particularly strong. Philadelphia, Minny and New Orleans are going to be really, really tough to beat, and any of those top four teams can win the NFC.

    I think the Giants will surprise people this year, new coach (an improvement over last year), a great rookie RB (I'm a big believer in Barkley), OBJ signed to an extension and focused... I think Atlanta has a chance to be really good as well, and I really like what Chicago has done this offseason. I think Chicago will be there fighting for the wildcard spot, but the Bear's schedule has four brutal games to end the season, so I think they'll miss on the playoffs this year. Atlanta could sneak in and take the spot I'm giving to the Giants, tho.
     
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    Saquon Barkley and Nick Mullens make football worth watching right now.
     
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    The Saints and Rams make football worth watching!!! :cool:
     
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    Rams/Chiefs MNF was moved from Mexico City to LA b/c the field is in such bad shape...unbelievable! That effects a lot of people, but the NFL felt it was unsafe for the players.
     
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    It was the right call. The field was awful, and that means an increased risk of injury. Sucks for fans in Mexico, but safety should go first.

    It's interesting, tho, that whenever the NFL plays in Wembley, the field ends up damaged after games and the FA doesn't really say much about it...
     
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    Its the caravan full of terrorists that has them scared. ;)
     
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    LOL!
     
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    The Chiefs should be lauded for releasing Kareem Hunt so quickly after a video of him hitting a woman was published by TMZ. Zero tolerance should be the only answer.

    Obviously, it's a big hit for the best offense in the NFL, but they'll survive. And the message they send should be heard loud and clear.
     
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    It's that time of the year again, so let's go with some season awards:

    MVP- Pat Mahomes. It was a close call between him and Brees, but Brees' stats have taken a dive in the last few weeks, not bad, but not at the level he was playing before. Hence, Mahomes wins it. What an incredible season.

    OPOY- Not sure why the MVP doesn't win this, but... let's go with a skill position player. And that'd be Michael Thomas, who has had an amazing season for the Saints, particularly when you take into consideration that, for a good part of the season, he was the only reliable WR healthy on the Saints roster. Then again, if we consider QBs, he wouldn't even be in the top 5 of the award.

    DPOY- Aaron Donald. Not even close. Easiest one to call.

    COY- Pete Carroll. What a remarkable season the Seahawks have had, when nobody thought they'd be this good with a revamped defense that also lost Earl Thomas for most of the season. Other coaches considered were Matt Nagy (did a good job in Chicago, but the defense carries that team, and Vic Fangio runs it), Sean Payton (wouldn't have a problem with him winning it, it's between him and Carroll), Andy Reid, Frank Reich.

    Comeback POY- Andrew Luck. JJ Watt had an amazing season, but Luck came back and has the Colts close to a playoff spot, and that team doesn't have the talent to be there yet, much less to have won 8 of the last 9 games. He's also playing better than ever in his NFL career.

    DROY - Darius Leonard. Again, not even close. Well, maybe Derwin James, who also had a great season, is close to Leonard's impact, but I still think Leonard deserves it more. James joined a defense with plenty of talent, while Leonard is the best talent the Colts defense has, by far.

    OROY - Saquon Barkley. Although if Baker Mayfield had more time and more games, this award could have gone to a different winner. I actually think Mayfield has had a better season, just a smaller sample. Barkley has had efficiency issues, and usually a few big plays in most games that yield a ton of yards and that make his stats look better than the way he's affected the game. But that's a skill in itself, and it can be argued that he had to carry the Giants offense, with a bad o-line, a washed-up QB and a OBJ pouting often. So I'm gonna keep Barkley as the winner of this award.
     
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    Good award winners TMC. I agree with all of them other than OPOY. Thomas has been outstanding but I would give it to Brees... but like you said, if it can't be a QB than I might put Tyreke Hill ahead of Thomas. 17 yards per catch on 87 catches with 12 TD's is insane.

    A TE will never win it but man, Kittle and Ertz had record setting seasons from the position.

    And while Donald WILL DPOY and that is a no brainer, Bobby Wagner should be runner up imo. No better MLB in the game and completed a season with not one missed tackle. CRAZY!!!
     

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