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  1. TMC

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    Ndamukong Suh signs a 1 year, $14 million deal with the LA Rams. So now they have a line composed of Michael Brockers, Aaron Donald and Suh. With Peters, Talib and Joyner in the secondary. That's a f*cking scary defense. Rams have the potential to be really good next season. Would have to find a way to replace Watkins, most likely on draft day, and add at least one good LB, but that's a team with the potential to be a SB contender, if everything goes as expected.
     
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    For sure! And with a young improving stud QB, and the best RB in the league, the Rams have to be the favorite to win the NFC West for the second straight year.
     
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    There have been talks between the Giants and Rams people regarding a possible trade for OJB. Nothing serious, but it's ongoing. And it makes a lot of sense, because the Rams have the cap space (they have to extend Donald, but it'll be a front-loaded deal, and Goff still has two years at a pretty manageable salary before he's got to sign his own extension), they have the picks (we're talking multiple pick compensation here, including at least (but not only) two first round picks.

    One thing is certain, the Rams won't have any qualms about making the deal, as proven by their acquisitions this year.

    Once again, it's not even close to happening... just that there have been real talks between both franchises.
     
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    Geno Smith signs as Rivers backup in LA. Two things to consider about this signing: first, the Chargers might just be the most talented team in its division, and that's saying a lot considering the teams they have to compete against; and second, I think it's a good signing. Geno only played in bad situations, and even tho he won't see the field unless Rivers gets injured, this is the best team he's had since entering the NFL.
     
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    Another big trade in the NFL. The Rams acquire Brandin Cooks and the Pats 4th round pick in exchange for their first rounder (#23 overall) and a 6th round pick.

    I happen to believe first rounders are overrated and that, particularly with late picks, it's better to trade them for proven players, particularly when they're young and productive like Cooks. And the Rams offense gets a weapon they sorely missed after Watkins signed with KC. Cooks is crazy fast and a great depth threat, and he's only 24.

    Only problem I see is that he's in the final year of his rookie contract, and will demand a huge salary next year. You don't trade a first round pick just to lose the guy you got next year, like it happened with Watkins. They really need to sign Cooks to an extension (or win the SB, every single move that helps you win a SB is a good one) for this deal to make sense.

    And extensions are going to become a problem in LA. Peters and Cooks are in the final year of their rookie deals, they've got to extend Donald, Goff will get extended in a couple more years. It can get ugly soon.

    Scary team for next year, tho... their LB corps are a weakness, but other than that, the Rams are built to win now.
     
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    Jay Wright is a phenomenal coach. I love the way his teams play
     
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    Weird decision by the Bears not matching Cameron Meredith's Saints offer, particularly because he's a talented guy at a position of need for them. He missed last year with a knee injury, but should be alright for the next one.

    So the Saints get a good WR, potentially a #2 after Michael Thomas and the Bears get nothing for him. And it's not like he's signed for a ton of money, so if his knee is a real concern, the Saints will cut him and that's it.

    Really don't understand what Chicago was thinking here. Great addition by the Saints.
     
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    Some quick thoughts on the draft now that we're so close to it...

    Favorite players: Roquan Smith, Denzel Ward, Quenton Nelson, Derwin James, Saquon Barkley.

    Overrated players: Minkah Fitzpatrick, Tremain Edmunds, Harold Landry.

    Great class for: RBs. You can get a productive one late in the draft. That has become a trend, and this class is probably not as good as last year's, but it's still deep. Decent depth at CB as well.

    Poor class for: Safeties. Other than James and Reid, I don't see anybody that can develop into a starter, but you probably can find role players at lower rounds. Not a great class for DEs either.
     
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    Alright, my final mock draft:

    1.- Cleveland Browns - Sam Darnold. Allen is scary, Rosen doesn't want to go to Cleveland and isn't afraid to say it, the Browns need to get their franchise QB in this draft... I think Darnold is the safest pick for them, and I don't think they're going to risk using the #1 pick on a guy with accuracy issues.

    2.- NY Giants - Saquon Barkley. The Giants have to win now and Eli probably has a couple of years left. Barkley is the pick in that scenario, and adding him to OBJ, Shepard and Engram gives the Giant plenty of offensive weapons. They'll reload the defense with the rest of their picks. I'm not saying they won't take a QB, it's all up to their evaluation of Eli's status, but I think Barkley is the most likely pick if their plan is to keep Eli.

    3.- NY Jets - Josh Rosen. And my favorite QB in the draft goes here to a team that really needs to establish an offensive identity.

    4.- Buffalo Bills (from Cleveland) - Josh Allen. I think the Browns and Bills agree to a deal that sends both Bills' first rounders to Cleveland as well as a couple of second day picks (this draft or next year's) and the Bills move up in order to take their QB of the future. I'm just not sure if it's going to be Allen or Mayfield, so I'm gonna guess Allen based on what I've read.

    5.- Arizona Cardinals (from Denver) - Baker Mayfield. KC and Houston beat Arizona for the rights to draft Mahomes and Watson last year. The Cards won't let it happen again, and they know damn well that Bradford is a one-year filler. Mayfield is their QB of the future in this scenario.

    6.- Indianapolis Colts - Bradley Chubb. Colts got lucky in this mock and get the guy they coveted at #3 three picks later.

    7.- Tampa Bay Buccanneers - Derwin James. Yes, Nelson is a safer pick and would complete our o-line (and I would take Nelson in a heartbeat, but this is not a "what I would do" mock). Yes, most people like Fitzpatrick better (I don't, and the Bucs have had plenty of time to work with James). Yes, Denzel Ward is a possibility (and I love him, but I think him being undersized will be the deciding factor). So it's James. And let's hope he's a good one, because if he ends up a bust, both Koetter and Litch will be looking for a job elsewhere next season...

    8.- Chicago Bears - Quenton Nelson. Chicago couldn't get any luckier after watching Nelson fall straight to them.

    9.- San Francisco 49ers - Roquan Smith. With all the issues Foster is having, you guys need a LB to rely on. And Smith is the best prospect I've seen in years.

    10.- Oakland Raiders - Minkah Fitzpatrick. Raiders keep building their defense with this pick. I think Fitzpatrick is overrated, but still should be a contributor and become a starter in their defense.

    11.- Miami Dolphins - Vita Vea. Lost Suh? Here's his replacement. Not the same kind of player, but much, much cheaper and with a lot of upside.

    12.- Cleveland Browns (from Buffalo) - Mike McGlinchey. Joe Thomas replacement gets picked here.

    13.- Washington Redskins - Denzel Ward. Ward is the best CB in this draft and would represent great value here.

    14.- Green Bay Packers - Josh Jackson. Not sure who they can take here, but a talented CB like Jackson makes a lot of sense. He's bigger, but much less physical than Ward. If not, he'd be the top CB in the draft.

    15.- Denver Broncos (from Arizona) - Jaire Alexander. And here comes Talib's replacement...

    16.- Baltimore Ravens - DJ Moore. Local kid that is a deeper threat than Ridley and a weapon on returns. Very complementary to Crabtree's skillset.

    17.- Los Angeles Chargers - Kolton Miller. Risky, but talented tackle that fits a big need for the Chargers.

    18.- Seattle Seahawks - Harold Landry. I think Seattle is going to try and trade down and get more picks. If they can't find a deal they like, I think Landry can be a good choice here for a team that needs to revamp their defense.

    19.- Dallas Cowboys - Courtland Sutton. I really don't think Dallas' liked Ridley enough, and they need to add a WR or two to their corps.

    20.- Detroit - Marcus Davenport. Good value here for Detroit, even tho he's probably not the kind of player they were looking for.

    21.- Cincinnati Bengals - Tremaine Edmunds. There's a guy that falls in every draft, and this time it's Edmunds. He's got all the physical traits and is extremely athletic, but I don't like his instincts at all... not sure he's ready to play a big role yet, but has huge upside. The Bengals O-Line is in shambles, so they could go with a G/C easily...

    22.- Cleveland Browns (from Buffalo) - Da'Ron Payne. Versatile, big bodied DT that's going to complete a formidable Browns' D-Line.

    23.- New England Patriots - Rashaan Evans. The Pats need to take a QB and a revamp a lackluster defense. They start by taking Evans here. Could be Vander Esch as well, but I'm guessing they'll take Evans first.

    24.- Carolina Panthers - Calvin Ridley. Carolina needs someone else to play WR other than Funchess. Not sure Ridley is the best fit, but he's the best available and more ready to contribute now.

    25.- Tennessee Titans - Leighton Vander Esch. Several teams have considered taking Vander Esch already in this scenario. His fall stops here. Great addition to the Titans defensive core.

    26.- Atlanta Falcons - Taven Bryan. Falcons fill a huge need inside after Poe's departure.

    27.- New Orleans Saints - Lamar Jackson. Brees probably has a couple years left, and that gives Payton time to work with Jackson and get him ready to replace Drew in due time.

    28.- Pittsburgh Steelers - Mike Hughes. The Steelers need to fix their secondary. Hughes is a step in that direction.

    29.- Jacksonville Jaguars - Christian Kirk. More out of need than anything... but Jacksonville needs weapons on their passing game.

    30.- Minnesota Vikings - Isaiah Wynn. Wynn can play both C and G and Minny needs to add some talent to their O-Line.

    31.- New England Patriots - Connor Williams. Nate Solder is gone, here comes his replacement.

    32.- Philadelphia Eagles - Will Hernandez. I think Philly is going to trade down and someone is going to take Derrius Guice here, but in case they don't make a deal, Hernandez makes a lot of sense as they're soon going to need quality replacements on their O-Line. A tackle is more a need, but it'd be a reach here.
     
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    nice work TMC! I do like Roquan.. he reminds me a lot of Navorro Bowman. I can see the Raiders going after Vea. They need to get Mack some help on that line. Vanderdoes started out pretty solid, but didn't seem consistent. Also, putting Bruce Irvin at DE is not my definition of help.
     
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    DE is a problem, because I think it's way too early to take Landry or Davenport. Vea is definitely an option, but I think Fitzpatrick, if they like him as much as I've heard, is a safer pick.

    Don't get me wrong, I think Fitzpatrick is overrated because I don't see much a high ceiling, but he's pretty good already. He can help the right team right away. And probably will have a long career as a starter in the NFL. Just don't expect a star, and I'm not sure if you can justify a top 10 pick on a guy that's not gonna develop into one.

    But I definitely can see Vea to the Raiders. He was the other guy I was considering for this pick.
     
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    Good stuff TMC. Man, when the draft season started, I was really focused on Derwin James for the Hawks at #18 but most draft guys had him going late first round so thought for sure he would be there (although I am positive they are not taking anyone at 18 and instead will be trading back), but his stock has really gone up... actually more likely the draft guys are just catching up to the NFL personnel guys. Love James and seems like a forgone conclusion the Bucs will select him.
     
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    I would be happy with Minkah Fitz at #10 for the raiders, I just want all defense the first 3 or 4 picks. Wouldn't mind them trading down for extra picks either.
     
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    Mock draft are pretty pointless, but they're fun... takes a lot of time if you want to do one that makes some sense, tho.

    I've been hearing that New Orleans is most likely going TE in the first round, tho. Might not be the case, but that seems to be what Saints' beat writers believe. And that would change the mock a bit, maybe even the Steelers could think about taking Lamar Jackson and develop him to take over once Big Ben isn't around anymore.
     
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    Looks like Mayfield will be the #1 pick tonight. Surprising but not shocking. I think he is the 2nd best behind Darnold. I think Mayfield is the best QB to start NOW but I like Darnold's upside better.
     
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    That's pretty interesting. It seemed like Mayfield was #3 or #4 most of the way. It will be interesting to see where the Browns go this year. Lots of draft capital and some free agents.. they may get a win!

    Looking forward to seeing who the Niners pick. I hate this draft format though. Give me the old days where i can watch all day saturday.
     
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    OMG, so Tom Cable. I cant repeat enough how happy I am he is nowhere near Seattle.
     
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    LOVE the Ravens trading up and taking Lamar Jackson. Love it. Best move of the first round, imho.
     
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    Some more thoughts on the first round:

    1.- I understand the Browns taking Mayfield. He's accurate and plays with swag. Might just be what that franchise need. I don't think he was the best QB available (I think that's Rosen) or as safe as Darnold (who I thought would be a Brown as of today), but I understand the pick. I wouldn't have understood using the pick on Allen, tho.

    2.- Saquon and OBJ in New York is going to be a great show. Just hope the Giants are not wrong and Eli has something left in the tank. The need to reload on defense, tho.

    3.- Jets couldn't be happier with this outcome. I don't think they really expected to get Darnold at #3.

    4.- Denzel Ward went too high. Love him as a player, but Chubb would have been a better choice. Or trade down and take Ward later.

    5.- Chubb being available was unexpected. So much that the Broncos backed down from a deal with the Bills.

    6.- Great pick by the Bears as well adding Roquan Smith. Best lb in the draft and fits a huge need.

    7.- Rosen at #10 to Arizona is a great move, and he's gonna play with a chip in his shoulder.

    8.- Wtf happened in New Orleans? How could they trade so much... for Marcus Davenport?!?!?! Way too much capital wasted on the deal.

    9.- Kolton Miller is a project, Oakland. But he might be a good one in a couple of years. And adding Martavys is a decent move. The Raiders better use the rest of the draft on defense.

    10.- The Chargers adding Derwin James makes them ready to compete right now. Very complete team on both sides of the field.

    11.- I think Baltimore did a great move trading up for Lamar Jackson, but reached for Hayden Hurst. He could have been available in the second, or someone similar.

    12.- I didn't expect the Falcons to take a WR early, but I like them taking Ridley a lot.

    13.- I think Seattled reached a bit for Penny.

    14.- I think Terrell Edmunds is not a first round talent. Harrison or Reid would have been better fits.

    15.- Taven Bryan and Mike Hughes can be steals this late in the first round.

    16.- Not sure Bill Belichick is going to like Michel's fumble issue much... guess he's gonna be able to fix it, but he never did with Gilleslee.
     
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    Aaron Donald signs for 6 years $135 million with $87 million guaranteed. That is $17 million more than the 2nd highest paid defensive player...why???? Yes, he should be the highest paid D player, along with Mack. But $2 mil guaranteed more than Vonne Miller is not enough??!!.

    I am all for athletes getting as much $$$ as they can...they should. But I have an issue with this kind of salary cap destruction for 1 defensive player. I think the Raiders should pass on giving Mack a contract like that. I want a Super Bowl soon, and all that cap space in one D lineman will not accomplish that goal.
     

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