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Discussion in 'Know Your Enemy' started by Quazza, Aug 16, 2010.

  1. TMC

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    Some teams are going to miss the playoffs due to these games. And, what's even worse, if this keeps happening during the playoffs, it's over for them. Wouldn't surprise me if the league goes to another bubble for the playoffs if vaccines don't keep this under control by that time.
     
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    Yep, and they’re about to enforce more protocols like no hugs with the other team after games and no fist bumps during free throws... as if that’s the reason there’s an outbreak. Those new rules make absolutely no sense. They’re already running/bumping/jumping into each other. The outbreak isn’t because of interactions with each other. The outbreak is happening because they’re still visiting friends and family frequently who are just living their life. How do enforce that? They can’t. No matter how hard they may (or may not) try. If they really want to prevent disruption, they need to “jump the line” for the vaccine. Just like they outsourced rapid testing, they should outsource getting the vaccine distributed. It may anger people because they’ll think “Oh look, a multi-billion dollar company is jumping the line again. Shocking.” But don’t get mad at the corporation for using its resources. Your local government’s distribution plan sucks. Be mad at them instead.

    Lastly, what in the flip did James Harden say in his latest statement? Because it made absolutely no sense. As great of an offensive player he is, you reap what you sow. The culture was toxic because his leadership lacked. Dwight Howard said it without saying it. Chris Paul said it without saying it. And John Wall just said it without saying it.
     
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    That's as stupid as it can possibly be. So you can sweat and stay in contact with the other guy for the whole game and you can't touch them (not even hug them, the no fist bumps rule is ridiculous) once it's over or during free throws?

    The f*cking virus is AIRBORNE. It's safer to do a fist bump than simply talking to the media or to your own coaches, for fucks sake!!!

    As for "jumping the line" for the vaccine, I'd take the whole NBA to court if they do that (but hey, that's just me). That's not an option. Particularly because NBA players are not a high-risk collective (actually, they're the lowest-risk collective there is). I can understand, and even support that, if we're talking about some of the older coaches. But not players, under no circumstance.

    I think the league has to consider other options, instead of these ridiculous protocols. First and foremost, the league should go on, postponing games if any team doesn't have 7 players available. And stop the league the last month before the playoffs and go to another bubble for the remainder of the regular season and the playoffs. It worked last year, it will work this year. But that's the only way.

    As for vaccines, it's not possible to have everybody vaccinated during this season (unless, as you say, the NBA jumps the line), because there won't be enough vaccines available. I really don't see other option to compete this year. Next year will be a different story, with a lot more vaccines available and the virus spread more under control due to it. But it's going to be impossible to have a normal season this year.


    Harden is a loonie. Great player, amazing offensive player. But it's what it is.
     
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    Funny enough, I just read an article by Sam Amick where he said the league and team presidents discussed the idea of the players doing what Elvis did in 1954 against polio by volunteering to get the vaccine. It would partly be for show to encourage the African American community that if someone like LeBron James and Kevin Durant can get the vaccine, you can too (since a poll suggested nearly half the community would refuse to get it). So they're keeping in touch with the new administration about what they could do to help.

    The Nets and Sixers are still finalists for Harden, though they're reporting Philly has the better package. Currently, it's just Simmons and Maxey in the framework. Houston wants Thybulle. Philly wants Tucker. The Nets framework is rumored to be around... guess who? Kyrie Irving. Oh man, that would be a trip if that happens. The KD/Kyrie relationship is rumored to be "distant." I would hate to see Harden in Philly mainly because I think they should give Embiid/Simmons at least this season together. But Houston sounds adamant in getting a deal done asap, and I can't blame them. His teammates no longer respect him (it sounds like Wall and Cousins want to kill him lol) so they can't just sit him out for nothing the entire year. And it's not like the Wall/Irving backcourt wouldn't work because it sounds like Kyrie wants to play only when he chooses to.
     
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    That's a way of jumping the line without saying so, imho... Let some old, retired guy be vaccinated and be the face of the campaign. Let Bill Russell do it (if he wants to, that is). Because he's gonna be able to encourage the African American community, while not jumping the line, because he belongs to one of the groups at risk. If not, you're just jumping the line and screams privilege.

    Ha! Who wouldda guessed that Kyrie/KD would be at odds so soon? That never happened with Kyrie!!!

    Philly is also checking on Bradley Beal's availability, and that'd be a better trade than Harden, imho. Although I wouldn't trade him if I'm Washington, at least while he's willing to remain there.
     
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    Welp, it's done.

    Houston receives:
    Victor Oladipo
    Dante Exum
    Rodions Kurucs
    2022/24/26 unprotected 1st round picks (with pick swaps in 21/23/25/27) (via Brooklyn)
    2022 1st round pick (via Cleveland via Milwaukee)

    Indiana receives:
    Caris LeVert
    2023 2nd round pick (via Houston)

    Brooklyn receives:
    James Harden
    2024 2nd round pick (via Cleveland)

    Cleveland receives:
    Jarrett Allen
    Taurean Prince

    Quick reaction...

    Houston's return... bleh. But that's their fault. They waited and Harden's value decreased because of his attitude. Indiana no longer has to worry about if they can get value for Oladipo since they weren't going to pay him next summer and in return they get a young, very talented player in LeVert. Cleveland gets their potential center of the future since Drummond is in a contract year and a nice role player in Prince. Brooklyn gets... well, Harden gets his wish to be on a contender. KD's thrilled to play with Harden. Kyrie? We'll find out. Is there enough basketballs to share there? That team is ridiculous offensively. Defensively, yuck! I still like Milwaukee and Philadelphia over Brooklyn. Both teams have gritty defenses... and you'll need that come playoff time.

    I still think Houston's going to sell off more. Fertitta's not going to keep a high payroll with the Harden era over. I'd be surprised if Eric Gordon and PJ Tucker finish the season there.
     
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    Thank god you broke down the trade, mate...

    Ok, quick thoughts. Everybody wins something except Houston, who wins the bum of the year award. So you trade James Harden and that's the best you can get? Oladipo (already a worse player than LeVert), two cap fillers and low first rounders? Because we don't know what's going to happen with the 2026 first-rounder they're getting, but I'm willing to bet the 2022 and 2024 picks are going to be pretty low. And the 2022 pick they get from Cleveland is Milwaukee's one, so it's going to be pretty much at the bottom of the first round. The deal is so bad that the most valuable assets Houston gets are the pick swap rights in 2025 and 2027.

    Two things: Fertitta doesn't have a clue of how the NBA works, because this is one of the dumbest trades of all time. And the Rockets GM would have been fired if he had come to his owner to authorize this deal and said owner had a f*cking clue. Heck, I could do a better job than this. I'm willing to bet anybody on this board would do a better job than this.

    Let's talk about the other teams:

    - The obvious winners are the Nets. Although team chemistry is going to be an issue. I mean, I think KD and Harden can get along alright, but they lose Allen and LeVert (both valuable players, more so the latter) and they keep Kyrie. And now Kyrie is not going to have the ball too often, because he already is the third option on offense. Great, on paper, but Kyrie is volatile when things don't go his way. He imploded in Cleveland and also in Boston. The biggest winner of this deal is another Net, Joe Harris, who'll now have all the time and space in the world to hit shots. Defensively? It's going to be a problem, because Bruce Brown and Jordan can't be everywhere and their third-best defender is... KD? But, on paper, is a good deal for them. Might have to win every game 150-148, but it's still a good deal.

    - Indiana was smart enough to acquire Oladipo's replacement (I love LeVert, he's a great, great player that I'm sure is going to explode in Indiana if he's able to stay healthy) and a Rockets second-rounder (and probably a high one, considering their remaining roster, even tho it's a 2023 pick).

    - Cleveland... Prince and Allen are good, useful players. And it's not like they've lost much (the Bucks first-rounder, another second-rounder and Exum). So you get two good players for... that? It's a good deal, no matter how you look at it.
     
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    Haha! Yes, it was confusing as hell reading the details. Those pick swaps started to make my head spin. The question Houston must answer is if they can identify and develop talent with those picks. We won’t be able to answer that for another decade... and like you said, the first couple will be late 1st rounders! Fertitta and Stone came out of this looking like two kids who only button mash on the controller.
     
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    Oh, yes... KD might really regret moving to the Nets franchise. Not because of Brooklyn, but because all the guys he's surrounding himself with.
     
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    Losing Lavert is going to hurt
     
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    Allen, too. Their interior defense is now DJ, Jeff Green and KD... oh, no. They’re going to have to try an out score the Lakers to win.
     
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    Guys, don't you have a certain coach you can't stand? Someone that, on paper, is good at his job, but there's a little something that makes him insufferable to you?

    For me, that's Billy Donovan. And he's a good coach, but I can't stand him. And that quote of "these Bulls don't know how to win" is not only unnecessary, but puts the blame on everybody but himself, including the previous regime (because the roster is basically the same). Every time I heard him, he had an excuse ready. And I can't stand that kind of people.
     
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    I find Scott Brooks to be quite overrated.
     
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    Well, Brooks is one of those coaches that I don't think does much for the team. They don't get better, nor worse under him. Kinda like a "company man" that is there just because someone has to.

    Seems like he's a nice enough guy. Not annoying or anything, probably pretty cool once you get to know him, going from what players say about him. Just... a guy that's there.
     
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    Respect to Thibs for getting the Knicks to play hard. As much as we have made fun of that franchise for years (more like decades now), they’re in a good spot. They didn’t hit a panic button this past offseason. They made short term signings without shelling out a bunch of cash. They didn’t give up any major future assets to acquire a star. They’re finally “rebuilding” the right way. And that’s what they need to do. For so many years, they relied on their brand to do the convincing. Now, they finally hired some respectable people and may be on track to be taken seriously within the next decade. They’re still some time away, but if they stay the course and identify and develop talent through the draft and maybe hit once on a free agent, maybe we’ll see the Knicks be good again by 2025.
     
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    Yep, true. The Knicks are playing hard, and despite not having much talent, they're doing better than expected. And they'll have cap room, are in NYC and have some good young talent.

    In fact, I think Julius Randle is the only signing they made that they could consider re-signing after the season. He's playing really, really well. Other than that, just keep the young kids, use the cap space properly and make good picks in the draft. It's going to take time, but they're doing it the right way.
     
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    LMAO at Rafael Stone defending the Harden trade because of the flexibility all those picks give them, especially "the high picks".

    Ok. First, you didn't get ANY high picks. All of them will be at the bottom of the first round, at least for the next few years. And the other first-round pick you got belonged to the Bucks, the only f*cking team in the east that might be better than the Nets!!!!

    Second, if your team is a bad one, playing in the west, to make things worse, and the Nets are good, and playing in the East, all those pick swaps do not give you flexibility. In fact, they give nothing at all.

    Third. The best guy you got on the deal is Victor Oladipo, who hasn't been the same since his injury and who is a f*cking free agent at the end of the season. So either you use cap room on him or you got nothing else than picks, because the other guys you got are busy trying to belong to a NBA roster.

    Fourth, you had an offer from Philly with Ben Simmons as its centerpiece. And you rejected the deal because of those picks. Those picks that, at this point, are closer to the second round than to the lottery!!!!

    Best part of the deal probably is the $10.6 million exception Houston got. Of course, he says they'll be "aggressively" trying to use it before the deadline. With that roster? Who the f*ck are you trying to get? Unless you find someone as retarded and willing to trade a disgruntled star for the exception and a bunch of those picks... but then again, with that kind of roster, good luck selling that you have a competitive team to that star. My bet? They won't use it this season.


    Somebody fire this fool, please...

    Only good thing for Houston this season has been the play of Chris Wood. Other than that, that team is imploding, and fast. And Stone and Fertitta are the ones to blame.
     
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    Fertitta gonna Fertitta. As much as I’ve poked at Harden, let’s face it... Fertitta welcomed and fermented that culture. And Stone’s comments are just so PR of him to say.

    On another note... so KD’s the best player in the NBA right now, right? Not Kawhi. Not LeBron. K-D. Great performance against the Bucks tonight.
     
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    Man, XBay said it first (at least here) and it's becoming reality. The NBA has acknowledged they're strongly considering having players receive the vaccine earlier than they should to "inspire the African American community".

    While I believe it's necessary, there are enough people that can become that influence (Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is doing it already) without JUMPING THE F*CKING LINE.

    Of course, this comes quickly after Silver said last month that they would never, ever "jump the line". Now they've realized they've postponed 15 games already (and many more to come) and are trying ALL THEY CAN to go above others in order to vaccinate their players. Silver is a f*cking snake (which shouldn't be a surprise to anybody, his speech is almost always empty).
     

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