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  1. TMC

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    Alright, good move for Portland, the Rockets seem to be lining up for rebuilding.

    DeRozan is going back to San Antonio.

    And Milwaukee... It's great that they're getting Bogdanovic, but I've got NO CLUE why Sacramento made that deal. NO CLUE. Not even one future first-rounder? Are you kidding me? Bogdanovic was one of the better players on their roster, and they get Ilyasova (who may never play for them), DJ Wilson and DiVicenzo for him and Justin Jackson? For f*cks sake, it would have been better to let Bogdanovic go without a deal.

    I also don't understand the deal from New Orleans point of view. They get Bledsoe (overrated, playing particularly bad in the playoffs), George Hill and three first-rounders. Except they already have a gazillion first rounders from the AD trade. And if Giannis' stays, those first-rounders are going to be almost high second-rounders. Why not keep him and TRY TO MAKE THE F*CKING PLAYOFFS? Because there's enough talent in New Orleans to sneak in if Zion stays healthy and Ingram keeps improving.

    So... great for Milwaukee. They're a much, much better team right now.
     
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    The NBA really missed on the scheduling. The whole point was to reduce travel... yet, we’ll still be getting Warriors-Knicks.

    There’s probably going to be no fans for half the season. They should’ve kept things more regional.
     
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    Wow, that Bogdan Bogdanovic to Milwaukee is being held up because there was apparently never an agreement from Bogdan that he was open to joining the Bucks. Yikes...
     
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    Plenty of news to talk about (although I'm going to ignore the multiple picks exchanged):

    - Who the f*ck reaches a deal to trade for a guy who's not under contract? Bogdanovic entering free agency (which was expected, because he can make a lot of money this year) nixes the deal and now Milwaukee has to scramble and rethink their strategy for a new scorer in the wing. And don't get me started on how retarded the Bucks front office looks now, you can't agree to a trade for a guy that's going to be a restricted free agent and go public with it before everything is signed!!!

    - OKC was busy on draft night. They get Horford (why? probably to trade him again, I guess), two picks (#34 and a 2025 first rounder) and rights to a guy nobody knows for Danny Green and Terrance Ferguson. Philly is saving money by trading a guy that doesn't fit and has a huge contract and getting back some wing help. Both Ferguson and Green are good defenders, and Green adds much needed shooting.

    Then, OKC traded Rubio back to Minny, alongside two first-rounders ( Jaden McDaniels will stay in Minny, Quickley was traded to NY) for #17, Pokusevsky. Why OKC does this? Saves some money on Ricky's deal and gets Pokusevsky, who is way too raw and has to develop a lot, but has a lot of potential as well.

    Why Minny does this? Who the f*ck knows with Russell running the team already... Oh, and then they traded for Bolmaro, who is ANOTHER point guard!!! Everything makes a lot of sense, yeah.

    - Philly kept making moves, sending Josh Richardson and #36 to Dallas for Seth Curry. Why? Nobody knows. Great for Dallas, tho, adding another piece to their roster (or two, I don't know much bout Tyler Bey). At this point, it's obvious Elton Brand is a decorative figure in Philly. Morey is calling the shots.

    - Utah trades Tony Bradley and #38 to Detroit for money and an undisclosed future pick.

    - There was an interesting deal in which I think every team won something (which is rare). Landry Shamet goes to Brookly, Kennard joins LAC and the Pistons get Saddiq Bey and Rodney McGruder. I like it for every team involved. I expect Bey to develop into a good 3-and-D player, Kennard adds shooting to LAC and Shamet is going to be a playmaker from the bench for Brooklyn. Good deal for all sides involved.

    - The Pistons also made another deal, with Houston this time, adding Trevor Ariza (whom I expect to be traded again, or to agree to a buyout) and Isiah Stewart, a raw but physical center that has some room to develop. It's a nice deal. Houston is getting back future first and second-round picks.


    As for the rest of the draft, I love the Knicks taking Obi Toppin at #8. It's a great pick for a team that needs as much talent as possible. I had a feeling he was going to fall a little bit, so good for NY.
     
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    Kelly Olynik stays with Miami, exercising his option for $13.6 million. Smart, in his case.

    That doesn't mean Miami won't trade him, of course. Right now, he's strictly a role player.
     
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    More news:

    - Tim Hardaway Jr. stays with Dallas, also picking up his option for one-year, $18.9 million. Smart in this market. That's money in his pocket playing for a team that's going to be even better. And if he has a good season, his next contract will be there next year with a bigger offer. Also good for Dallas, he's a pretty decent player.

    - Knicks have waived Taj Gibson, Elfrid Payton, and Wayne Ellington, while also declining the option in Theo Pinson's and Bobby Portis' deals. That means they have over $40 million available all of a sudden. I don't expect them to make any big signing this offseason, but it means they're cleaning house, committing to develop their young talent and, hopefully, trying to go sign some big name next year. That's what they should have done last season instead of signing so many vets, btw.

    From the names cut, Ellington is a good 3-and-D name I wouldn't mind having as a Dub.
     
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    Gordon Hayward also opted out of his $34m player option. Curious to see where he ends up. He's still an effective player... but who's going to pay him $34M? New York maybe. Heh.

    Avery Bradley is also opting out of his $5M contract. Not too surprising. His camp said that he'd like to stay with the Lakers on a long term deal if they can make that work... which I have time believing because of what he may garner from free agency. Warriors were apparently showing interest and they now have the DPE to go along with their MLE.
     
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    Not sure why Hayward opts out. He's leaving $34 million on the table on this market. Who's going to sign him to a big deal with all the injuries he's had with the Celtics? Because NY is not a team that should consider signing him (although it'd be a very Knicks thing to do). Atlanta is a more likely destination, because the Hawks are building a squad to compete and make the playoffs, also coming back to Boston with a longer but cheaper deal. In any case, I'd be wary about signing him to a long or very expensive deal.

    But it's surprising. He's the kind of player I was thinking wouldn't opt out of his deal. Oh, well... we'll see what kind of market he has.

    Kanter will remain with the Celtics. Really think they should play him more. He always had talent, but his defense was non-existent, but he had a great playoff run with Portland. That Kanter could help Boston a lot. They're also keeping Oyeleje on a very cheap deal.
     
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    Atlanta is either gonna gun for Hayward or Gallinari. Hayward would be the better vet between the two, though. Hayward's preference is with the Pacers, though, due to his roots in Indy.

    Kanter will get to back up a healthy Nurkic, which is a plus. Not sure what the recovery timeline is on Zach Collins' ankle, but Kanter should see some good amount of PT with him out. Especially after watching them in the bubble where Nurk looked gassed at the end because there wasn't really anyone to spell him. And yes, I know they had Whiteside, but let's be honest... there's a reason they traded for Kanter instead of negotiating with Whiteside. He's just not consistent.
     
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    Ok, step by step, there's a lot going on...

    - Not surprised to see Portland trading for Kanter. He wasn't there for long, but it's the place where he played his best basketball.

    - I'm surprised by those deals by Miami. I mean, not that Leonard and Dragic are back, but the two-year deals were unexpected, although Dragic's second is a team option. I thought they were going to re-sign their guys, but to one-year deals in order to preserve their cap for Giannis' or whoever they may want to sign next year. Leonard's deal is just... surprising.

    - Harrell to the Lakers is also very surprising. I fully expected the Clippers to retain him. Also, it's for the MLE, $9.25 million this season and $9.75 the next (although that second year is a player option). Harrell is a bargain at that price. Not sure what happened here. Good for him, I guess, but I don't understand the terms of the deal for Harrell's side. Unless he's desperately chasing a ring, but come on...

    - I really like Gallo to Atlanta. He's gonna open the field for them, can shoot, can pass. I think he's a very good fit there, and the deal is the right amount for the right time. I just wonder what's going to happen with Collins there, because I really like him, but they're having a surplus of inside guys, and Gallo is the only one that can stretch the field.

    - Joe Harris back to Brooklyn makes all the sense in the world. I love Harris, my favorite player in the Nets, and he's getting paid like he deserves. He's a great shooter that's going to thrive playing alongside so many good players.

    - Another team I don't understand is New Orleans. So they trade Jrue for picks and now they re-route some of those picks to trade for Steven Adams. Why? Are you going to fight for the playoffs or keep rebuilding? Because it seems to me they've gotten worse with the trade, because they have no player on the roster than can replace Holiday, while the center spot was more manageable. It makes no sense what they've done. I like Adams, but I'm lost regarding New Orleans's strategy.

    OKC keeps stockpiling picks. I think Presti's plan is to have all the picks in the league in the next few drafts so he can take the best players all by himself. Rebuilding by attrition, I call it...

    - Trevor Ariza has been traded again, for the third time this week, to OKC this time, but the only player that matters in the deal might be Delon Wright. I like Wright. Not sure he's going to be a starter in the league, but he can play.

    - De'Aaron Fox signing his max extension is the only good thing Sacramento has done in this decade.

    - Dwight Howard signing with Philly is... interesting. He was almost out of the NBA by this time last year, but a decent year as a backup and a ring later and he's back in the landscape. Good, cheap insurance for those games Embiid's going to miss (if he still behaves like he did in LA).

    - Christian Wood played really well for Detroit after trading Drummond, and now he's joining the rebuilding Rockets. Not sure why the Pistons are doing, tho.

    - Malik Beasly back in Minny was also expected. He played well last year, and they traded a pick for him. It was obvious they didn't want him just for a few months.

    - Not sure why Indy is signing Justin Holiday to a three-year deal.

    - Marcus Morris' 4-years, $64 million deal with LAC comes right after Harrell joined LAL. Which is not surprising. Morris is good and tough. It's a good deal. But a deal like this has you wondering about the real reasons why Harrell left.

    - Trey Burke is back with Dallas. I like him as a backup. Can score, can run the team. A cheap deal for 3-years is pretty decent.

    - Bertans played really well for an awful Wizards team. He deserved his new deal. They've also signed Robin Lopez.

    - Derrick Jones Jr. is a good depth signing for Portland. Not sure why they're bringing back Rodney Hood, tho...

    - I don't understand what Jerami Grant did. He leaves Denver, willing to match, for Detroit? WTF?!?!?! The Nuggets bounced back by signing JaMychal Green, from LAC.

    - Wes Matthews' career ended three years ago, except plenty of people haven't realized yet. Hope he's not LAL's main plan to replace Danny Green...

    - Garret Temple joined the Bulls, Burks joined NY... From all these under the radar signings, I like Campazzo to Denver. He's going to be a good backup and surprise people.
     
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    God damn. This is why I've always hated the Lakers... It's not enough that they've won... They have to go and get a good deal on the 6th man of the year.. They've always been able to attract good rotation players on a budget.
    It's similar to why people hated the Dubs when we got KD. But the Lakers have been doing it for the better part of 40-50 years...
     
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    More news:

    - Bobby Portis signs with Milwaukee, 2 years, $7.5 million. It's a great deal, imho. Not too much money, Portis is tough, great rebounder, and can do some damage inside. Doesn't solve their need for more outside shooting, but it's a good deal nonetheless.

    - Jakob Poetl will stay with San Antonio, three years, $27 million.

    - Kris Dunn signs with Atlanta. 2 years, $10 million. Dunn didn't pan out (yet), but he's a good defender. He can be a decent backup PG.

    - Mo Harkless signs with Miami. 1 year, $3.6 million. Not sure why...

    - Avery Bradley signs with Miami as well. 2 years, $11.6 million. Nice player, not sure what Miami is doing with these two-year deals. Not what I expected, at least.

    - Also, Miami is losing Jae Crowder, who signs with Phoenix. 3 years, $30 million. Crowder can really help them. Phoenix is aiming for the playoffs next year.

    - DJ Augustin signs with Milwaukee as well. Nice scorer from the bench, don't expect anything else from him.

    And now come the two big ones:

    - As expected, Fred Van Vleet re-signs with Toronto, 4 years, $85 million. Well deserved. And a key signing for Toronto's future. Well, Toronto, Tampa... "We the something!!!". Anyways, happy for the team and for Van Vleet.

    - And Gordon Hayward signs with Charlotte. 4 years, $120 million. Yep, you read that right. He's missed 142 games in three years with Boston, never really was the same player that left Utah, is 30 already and Charlotte doesn't see a problem paying him $120 million.

    One of these years, Charlotte is going to make the playoffs, because the east is that bad. They still won't know what the f*ck they're doing.
     
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    Oh yeah, the Lakers are loaded...better than the team that just won the title, well shit!
     
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    Hayward will continue to get paid for missing games...what makes Charlotte think it will be different this time? I wouldn't pay that guy more than $12-$15 million per season, yet MJ thinks he is worth $30 mil per season...huge mistake!
     
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    Atlanta have quietly put together a great team, that runs super deep. Impressed

    I thought teams would be a lot tighter with $$$ this off season. Nope. That Hayward deal in particular, is insane
     
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    Yeah, that's a swing and a miss. At his best, he's your 3rd option. But you better have some depth at his position/role because you just don't know at this point.
    Man, who is signing off on some of these deals?
     
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    Michael Jordan apparently haha
     
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    They're cutting Nic Batum to save money, whom, back in the day, they decided it was a good idea to sign to a... guess what? A $120 million contract!!!

    Ok, more signings:

    - Ibaka signs with LAC. It's a good deal and a nice way to bounce back after losing Harrell. 2 years, $19 million. He's going to be a big help for Kawhi and PG.

    - Jeff Teague signs with Boston to be KembMelo a's backup. It's also a nice deal, because he can be a quality backup.

    - Celtics also sign Tristan Thompson, and I really like this signing. Same contract as Ibaka, and Thompson remains a double-double threat every night, if he's focused.

    - Nerlens Noel and Elfrid Payton sign with the Knicks (Payton is back, in fact). This means... well, not much.

    - Paul Millsap is back with Denver, 1 year, $10 million. Smart of both sides to stay together, particularly after Denver lost Grant.

    - Melo re-signs with Portland. Had a good season last year, with some very bright moments. I really like that he's back in a team that's looking like an early contender.

    - Wes Iwundu joins Dallas. Some depth on the wing. Never really impressed me much.

    - KCP back to LAL with a 3 years, $40 millions deal. Why? I don't know. How much money has this guy made from the Lakers? And why? He's a good rotation guy, but he's been stealing money from them for years!

    - Jevon Carter returns to Phoenix, and it matters because he's going to be CP3 backup, and will have to run their offense if CP3 misses time. He's decent, not sure you can trust him to start if CP3 ain't available.

    - Denzel Valantine back to Chicago. Depth and a great locker room presence, from what I've heard.

    - Rajon Rondo joins Atlanta. 2 years, $15 million. More depth for their playoff run. I'm not sure now why they signed Kris Dunn.

    - Pat Connaughton back with Milwaukee. 3 years, $16 million. Good depth signing.

    - We signed Brad Wanamaker. I'll talk about him on the Dubs thread.

    - Raul Neto signs with Washington. Guess he won't hurt them. Guess he won't help them much.

    - Jeff Green joins the Nets in his quest to play for every team in the NBA.

    - Gary Clark re-signs with Orlando. And... well, just that.

    - De'Anthony Melton signs 4 more years, $35 million with the Grizzlies. And this is a signing I really, really like. I love Melton. Great backup, good defender, can run the team, makes very few mistakes. It's a great decision by Memphis to keep him long term.
     

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