Discussion in 'Know Your Enemy' started by Quazza, Aug 16, 2010.
Loonies flying together like moths to a flame...
Mr. Flat Earth and the most emo boi in the NBA together on the same team... What could go wrong?
How the f*ck did Lawrence Frank win Executive of the Year? They got Kawhi to sign with LAC, and traded 100K picks for PG, just to get ousted in the second round. And they only got Kawhi because they play in LA and it was Kawhi himself who forced them to trade for PG. Other than that, they're out of good picks for the next decade, with Kawhi and PG entering the final deal of their contracts.
Presti should have won the award. Or Riley (both finished second and third, respectively). Both deserve credit for how they have managed their rosters this year in difficult situations. I think Frank's job has been among the WORST in the league.
Agreed TMC, over the next decade, when the Clippers suck, their fans will be cursing Frank for trading all those picks.
You mean to tell me that the Clippers have... fans?
I mean, I get it. They gave up a lot of assets for it, but considering that the franchise’s history is mainly consisted of losing and racism... the fact that they were able to land two perennial All Stars that were willing to go there; one being a Top 5 talent, is a remarkable feat. You may not agree with them mortgaging their next decade for it (heck, Americans mortgage their futures on homes and student loans all the time), but they made it happen. A franchise that will always be second rate to the Lakers no matter what. I’d do that trade 10 out 10 times given his position and again, the history of the franchise. They will recoup in the end. Ballmer has the deepest pockets in the league.
And that’s not to say Presti or Riley didn’t deserve it. They did. Presti offloading an awful salary for a better point guard was amazing. And obtaining all those picks for the next decade sets them up extremely well. Because no star player in free agency will ever have OKC as a target destination. So they’ll have to (draft) and trade their way to star players like they did with a disgruntled Paul George and a “I’m over Harden” Chris Paul.
Riley... well, Herro was a hit and Butler was a near perfect signing. And then restructuring the roster to acquire Crowder, Iguodala and Solomon.
They all equally deserved. But acquiring Kawhi/PG takes the cake.
Except I think they would have signed Kawhi/PG with anybody as their GM. It has more to do with Ballmer's deep pockets and the fact they play in LA that with anything Frank has done. If you tell me they give the Exec of the Year award to Kawhi, it would have been more deserved.
I'm not denying the impact Kawhi and PG have on the franchise. I'm saying Frank didn't get them to sign there.
True. 30 executives around the league vote on it so I’d like to see the score card. I’ve only read he received 10 first place votes.
Ty Lue to the Rockets is heating up. They would've offered a contract by now per reports, but they wanted to meet with Jeff Van Gundy first. I mean... the roster is incomplete. So I couldn't even say it'd be a good hire. But JVG I feel is a bad fit. I just don't know how his philosophies mesh with today's mindset... especially on the Rockets.
And it looks like the Clippers may be waiting on Ty Lue's decision. My guess is it's also a money game. He wanted to get paid in Cleveland and didn't really get it. So he's seeing if these Houston rumors will propel Ballmer to pay up for his services. If not Lue, it may be Mike Brown, who had an impressive interview per reports. Apparently, he gives great interviews everywhere he goes, hence how he landed that Lakers gig years back. Hard to see why not. He has a such a positive personality.
And the Pelicans reached out to Stan Van Gundy. Man, what a whirlwind of this coaching interview cycle. I think there's some assistants out there who deserve a shot but aren't getting the time of day like on Denver and Portland.
Ty lue, another retread. He will screw the Rockets up bad, so.I hope he goes there...LoL
Stan Van Gundy also meeting with the Pels.
Got the feeling this is the year of the bad coaching hires. Doc Rivers to Philly has been the best fit so far, and I'm no big fan of Rivers.
So Morey is stepping down as the Rockets GM. It was a good run, but I'm willing to bet it's over and there will be plenty of changes to that team. Maybe not right away, but I think a new GM and HC will change the whole philosophy of Rockets basketball.
Seems like they plan to promote Rafael Stone from inside to fill the GM position. Hard to think the whole China debacle didn't have anything to do with Morey leaving, tho. I'm not saying he's been fired and we're told otherwise, but I think he had to endure a lot of pressure, and maybe that led to him stepping down.
Ty Lue is smart, the Clippers are dumb. The guy really has Lebron to thank for the Clippers job and his fat contract. Without Lebron, the Cavs would have done nothing with Lue as coach.
I also think he's really overrated as a HC. He wasn't even signed to be the Cavs HC, he just was lucky to be the lead assistant when LeBron clashed with Blatt because Blatt wasn't going to step aside and let LeBron be the coach of the Cavs.
Of course, they won the ring in the infamous series and the team wasn't going to replace a coach that LeBron liked. That's the only reason for his success.
But now he's going to coach Kawhi and PG. We'll see if he's able to get something more out of them than Doc, particularly from PG.
Man, that Daryl Morey story sure did make it interesting in Houston. It doesn't sound like the China thing had anything to do with him stepping down because he warned Fertitta that he was thinking about it back in March 2019. And his kids are taking a gap year off school because of COVID so it sounds like he was just ready to settle down and spend time with his family until he figures out what he wants to do next. But you know, kudos to him. He was the only one that obsessed and nearly succeeded in building a roster to take down the greatest collection of talent ever assembled.
But like you said TMC, their run is probably over. And Harden may be a year away from living in a new place of residency. Maybe another year and that's it. Their draft stock is nearly washed up, Westbrook is owed aaaaa lot of money, then there's Gordon, etc. Stone got promoted into an ugly position lol
As for Ty Lue... ehhhh, we'll see. But relationships are everything in this league and so no surprise here.
Stan Van Gundy got the Pelicans gig. Surprising to say the least... but I guess they wanted experience over inexperience for the position. It also suggests that Jrue Holiday probably stays put. You take him away and it's a very young team and I doubt SVG would want that.
I don't like it. I agree that Holiday will probably stay and they'll try to sneak into the playoffs next year (and they can be a dangerous team if they stay healthy and their defense improves, guess this last point is why they chose SVG). Anyways, I don't think SVG was the right choice, long term, for a team as young as the Pels.
I don't know, he did a good job in Orlando, but his stint with the Pistons wasn't particularly impressive.
Didn’t he hold both titles as President of BBops and Head Coach in Detroit? Funny how that rarely works out for anyone. And that was around the time that he interviewed with the Dubs, but they didn’t like the idea of him wanting executive powers, too. As crazy as Mark Jackson was in the end, I think it’s safe to say that was a better choice than SVG.
That is a really quick turnaround with the draft on Nov. 18 and then free agency Dec. 1. But money talks, as we all know... hence the preference to start around Christmas. If they don't, that is a HEAVY revenue loss. This is great for the teams that weren't part of the Orlando bubble as it doesn't extend their layoff any longer and they'd be the most fresh of everyone. I assume preseason would be short or nonexistent in that scenario. So big advantage for the Dubs but certainly puts more pressure on nailing the draft/free agency with such a small window.
Also, the theme of relationships are everything continues... Amare is joining Nash in Brooklyn as an assistant under him.
I don't see it. Only two months of offseason and back to work? And with fans on the stands? (I'm asking this one, haven't read anything about it lately, but the NBA was set on getting fans back as soon as possible).
I think it's crazy. We're in the middle of a huge second wave in Europe, the situation is now more controlled in the USA. If you lay back and try to get back to business as usual, that second wave is going to hit you. Hard. I'd be very, very careful with the timing coming back, particularly if it involves fans in any way.
Yeah, a shortened offseason confuses me but there is a heightened sense to not leave that Christmas money on the table, evidently. The fan thing... yeah, that’s the goal. But they also said that if they start then and only some arenas can have fans, so be it. Sort of like how only the Chiefs, Cowboys, Dolphins, etc have fans but others do not. But the preference is no bubble because players want to be with their families. They’d have to work out a lot of details obviously, but that’s at least the story with the fan thing.
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