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Discussion in 'Know Your Enemy' started by Quazza, Aug 16, 2010.

  1. Chum

    Chum NBA 1st Team All Pro

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    Here's the link to the video. Warning, it is graphic. There is an even longer version of this floating around Facebook.

    The cops were called to the scene for a domestic dispute.

    Jacob Blake was in a scuffle with the cops on the other side of the car. The cops used a taser on him and it didn't stop him. He breaks free and proceeds to walk around to the other side of the car. Two officers are yelling at him to stop and they are pointing guns at Jacob Blake. Jacob Blake doesn't stop. He opens up the car door and stoops down to grab something. This is while the cop is pulling on his shirt, pointing a gun at him and yelling at him to stop. A knife was found in the car. There are also pictures showing that Jacob Blake had what looks like a Karabit knife on his person.

    Systematic racism, or a cop stopping a known criminal during a high pressure domestic dispute, who was clearly resisting arrest and going for something in his car?

    I have been vocal about making sure cops are held accountable for their actions. In this situation I don't know what they were supposed to do differently. Wait for the guy to grab a gun out of his car and start shooting?

    Meanwhile, the left is politicizing this to an extreme. It would be a complete joke if the consequences of this wasn't whipping people into a frenzy.



    Also, Money... to believe the the rioting is being done by right wing plants, and to ignore the nightly footage of BLM and Antifa destroying and attacking... well, there is no other way to say it. You have become a sheep who has bought into the obvious propaganda from the left. Very sad.
     
  2. TMC

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    I saw it. Seems like he had a warrant out for his arrest (I don't care for, there are conflicting reports as for the reason, but it doesn't really matter. There was a warrant). He ignored the police when asked to surrender. He deserved the use of force in order to arrest him, sure, but not lethal force. Police officers in the scene f*cked up big time. He was already walking towards the car before they realized what was going on, they should have closed all routes for him to move away from them way before that. And you need seven f*cking shots? Really?

    As for the violent riots, I don't care who does it. 90% of people surely are peaceful, no doubt, but there are always people that like to employ violence, to burn shit down, to vandalize property. And yes, sometimes we're talking about right-wing people, others are left-wingers (because no side is free of barbarians, the right is not full of beasts and the left is not full of saints). But the main problem is that spontaneous riots are precisely the perfect moment to stir things up. It's not about the USA, it happens everywhere. We have copied that as well and our right-wing parties are not that different. Even Steve Bannon has been linked to them, helping them develop their strategies, so we're following the same fucking route, with the same speeches based on lies. Right now, we're pretty much the same in terms of political status.
     
  3. xbay

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    All I will add is that what just transpired by the players is unprecedented. But they have the world's attention regardless if you agree with them or not. The next moves they make need to be calculated and on a united front. They have the owner's attention, which was the biggest part, because they're the ones that make the large donations to different politicians every election year. Only a handful of players have that same power (LeBron, Curry, CP3, Westbrook, etc). Big decisions tomorrow as the NBPA and the Board of Governors will meet separately to figure out what their responses will be to each other.

    I think the only thing that would top this would be NFL players striking as the NFL is king in America. But I wonder if they even try when they already worked themselves into a shoot over the latest CBA re-negotiated. My guess is not. But I think how things play out with the NBA will be telling.
     
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    They had already tased him and had him on the ground. That wasn't enough to stop him. He was ignoring the officers yelling at him to stop and at the end the officers was trying to pull him away from the car. That didn't work either. This was a domestic dispute and the guy was probably going for a gun in the vehicle, or a knife. I don't see that the cops had any other choice. Also, this isn't the movies. You don't have the ability to shoot a weapon out of someone's hand or just shoot them in the leg. You shoot until they stop. Jacob Blake wasn't stopping for anything.

    As for the left vs. right on the riots... I live in Eugene Oregon. I have several friends who live in Portland. I watch at least 5 different news outlets daily. Usually closer to 10. There are a few cases where someone that possibly is a right winger, possibly did something. There is a mountain of video and reporting clearly showing large groups of BLM and Antifa rioters destroying property and attacking people... every day. These are leftist, mostly communists, who are rioting. This has gone on for what, 3 months. There is over a billion dollars worth of damage done. At least 20 people dead. Over 900 cops injured. The cities this is happening in are all Democrat controlled. None of the powers that be are doing what is necessary to stop it.

    Money is right about one thing. People have had enough.
     
  5. xbay

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    NBA season back on. They’re aiming for a Friday restart.

    Some players were blindsided by the Bucks’ strike. LeBron and some Lakers stormed out saying they wanted the season over. NBPA VP’s shared the financial implications of ending the season and a potential lockout. Others shared how they’ve sacrificed so much to get to this point in the playoffs and that they should finish it out. Especially since families will start entering the bubble next round so some normalcy will return.

    This is why if you’re going to do something, you need to be united with whatever you do. Because what occurred last night was an emotional based decision. I’m not condemning them for doing it because who am I to judge a human being? I hear their pain. And I agree that this is all bigger than basketball. But this is also their job. And you can’t just walk out of your job without an organized, unified front.
     
  6. TMC

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    Chum, buddy, lethal force has to be the last thing, always.

    And police forces all around the world are trained to disarm and arrest without using lethal force. Ours are. Every single one in Europe is. I'm guessing that training also happens in the USA, because they have a ton more resources available. It's only a guess, but I think it's an educated one. My dad was a cop, I work with cops. All of them get that kind of training.

    Only reason to use lethal force is when he's carrying a gun and aiming at you, or about to seriously hurt someone else.

    I'd like to drop this topic, because I think everything has been said already. My point is that there's no reason to justify seven shots in the back. And those policemen on the scene f*cked up by not surrounding him so he couldn't get past them and get to the car so easily. They had options to reduce him before it came to that.
     
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    Exactly, first rule in the book.

    And they have all the right in the world to feel pain and want to take action. But this was troublesome in so many levels...

    I'm gonna quote Bruce Arians here to end my contributions to this topic: "Your responsibility is to take action. I don't know that protest is an action. I think each guy has a personal thing. I would beg them to take action, find a cause and either support it financially or do something to change the situation. Protesting doesn't do crap, in my opinion. I've been seeing it since 1968."
     
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    To add on, I'll throw in Draymond's tweets from last night.

    And I digress on this, officially.
     
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    Draymond is the Man!
     
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    Uncle Cliff passed away. Because 2020 can't get any better.

    One of the best 6th men in the NBA, a total pro back in the day.

    RIP Clifford Robinson
     
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    Aw man, RIP Unc! One of my first Warriors player I loved to watch when I was still a young fan. Yesterday was a tough day. Lute Olsen. Chadwick Boseman. Now Cliff. Man...
     
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    Shit, I had read about Chadwick Boseman, but haven't read anything about Olsen. Damn...
     
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    Uncle Cliffy was always a fave.

    Man, what a player he wound have been in today's game too
     
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    So Steve Nash is the new coach of the Brooklyn Nets.

    And I've got the feeling he's KD's choice for the job. Hope he does well, in any case. But it's interesting how a contender (on paper) signs for his HC position a guy with zero experience as a NBA head coach.

    And they get to keep Jacque Vaughn... highest-paid assistant in the NBA, but it's so weird to go from assistant, to head coach and back to assistant of the same team...


    Also, Jay Wright is out as a candidate for the Sixers job. And it's a pity, because he was a really intriguing name, as he's both a great coach and a Sixers fan. I would have loved to see him in the NBA. Guess he's too smart for that...
     
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    Steve Nash! Wow. He was heavily courted by Joe Tsai and Sean Marks, but still. Very surprising. And it's amazing that this was kept in secret considering all the leaks that occurred prior with Atkinson's oust. This was exactly a player's hire, as TMC said. KD formed a bond with Nash in his days as a consultant with the Dubs. He has great respect for him. So does Marks with their history in Phoenix. So heck of a hire. And while he had expressed no strong desire to be a head coach in the past, I guess it's hard to argue against turning down coaching two elite talents in their prime and developing some younger guys.

    The biggest question... do they keep the roster the same? Do they run with LeVert as their 3rd scorer? I say yes. But I could see the argument for trying to acquire 3rd star to compete. If healthy, they'll get by Toronto. But Milwaukee is legit even with the whole Giannis thing in the air. Miami is going to keep getting better (imagine if Pat Riley was able to sway Giannis away in a year). Tatum/Brown/Walker will keep Boston a title contender for at least the next 5 years.

    I like LeVert a lot. I think he is the anti-Kuzma in the sense that he will not frustrate you as whether or not he can be a reliable 3rd scoring option. Plus, they have Dinwiddie, Allen and Harris. They'll need more depth, but this is their best Nets roster yet pending the health of KD and Irving.
     
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    Stephen A screaming WHITE PRIVILEGE on the Nash hiring even though it was clearly KD that hired him

    Go figure
     
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    That's such a horrible take. But I get why he said it. It is his and Max's job to have to come up with ludicrous takes that ignite heavy engagement. He succeeded because we're talking about it now.

    But regardless of whether or note he really believes that, it's such a stupid take. Because this hire was fostered solely based on their relationship and respect being strong. Anything more than that is just trying to stir up trouble.
     
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    Most of what Stephen A. says is a stupid take. Nothing new under the sun...

    I get he's paid for just that. I'd rather keep my dignity and work somewhere else.
     
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    This year’s takes on the MVP voting are funny to read. People really are beside themselves over LeBron not winning. This is not some highway robbery type selection. Giannis deserved it.

    Some players were upset with it and the AD comes out and says he wishes players had a say. That’s so dumb. Look at when they vote on All-Star. They don’t take it seriously!

    I think the voting system is decent but doesn’t need crazy amending. If they include players, it has to be a certain amount or exclusive group and maybe not active players. Idk, but just like you can’t trust the fan vote, you can’t trust the player vote just as much.
     
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    Yeah, I found it funny that LeBron was pissed at the voting totals.

    Dude, it wasn't even close. You got even more votes than you deserved!!

    MVP voting works alright, no need to fix it. Although the NBA seems willing to fix anything their star players say, no matter how stupid. One of these days they will decide they can't be allowed to play inside the three point line and that they need to play with a square ball and the NBA will look for a way to do it.
     
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