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Discussion in 'Know Your Enemy' started by Quazza, Aug 16, 2010.

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    I like the word oxymoron. Don't have many chances to use it. I appreciate Kyrie's leadership for giving me one. :cool:
     
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    Catching up on trades:

    - - - Interesting trade. Clarkson’s a proven scorer, but he hasn’t really been the same scorer he was when he was with the Lakers. But the Jazz need someone of his skill set now because Exum isn’t it. Shame of Exum as he was suppose to be what Mitchell is to them now but knee injuries derailed his career. All the Cavs get from this is potential in that Exum will continue to grow.

    - - - Teague never quite worked out in Minny. Thibs really wanted him, but he showed that he never really developed any synergy with KAT. Now he returns back to Atlanta to back up Trae Young and help mentor him. Crabbe was a pesky scorer with the Blazers, but then he didn’t quite match that output after the Nets signed him. Overall, I’m still not really sure what Minny is trying to do outside of desperately trying to pair DLo and KAT together.

    - - - Good on Portland shedding some of that luxury tax. They’re still trying to stay afloat for that 8th seed and adding Trevor Ariza’s experience and defense could prove helpful for them. You can tell they miss Aminu/Harkless (not their 3PT shooting necessarily) and Ariza should fill that void. The Kings add some expiring contracts, which is great with Fox and Bogdanovic up for big extensions this summer. They’re also looking to dump Dedmon’s contract, too. As with the Wolves, I’m still not sure nor may I ever be sure about what Vlade Divac is trying to do with this roster. He signed Dedmon and Ariza to these contracts, as well as Cory Joseph (and uh, our old pal Harrison Barnes). He had a solid coach in Dave Joeger (who wanted LUKA!) who he just never aligned with. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Luke Walton doesn’t make it past next season if they continue to miss the playoffs. But if Vlade doesn’t go down with him, I’d be shocked and start questioning Vivek. But we won’t go down that rabbit hole just quite yet.
     
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    Clarkson has been great for Utah. Their bench was a liability in terms of scoring, and he's not only been the spark they were looking for, but the trade has also been great for him. He's efficiency has really improved since the trade.

    Teague can really help a contender from the bench. I'm not sure what he's going to do for Atlanta, tho. Crabbe wasn't doing much in Atlanta and that's not going to change. His biggest value is his expiring deal.

    As for Portland, they paid the price to get rid of some salary and save some money in a season that's quickly going nowhere. They're still not out of the playoffs, and Baze was playing a position they already have well covered, but this deal was made only to save money.
     
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    Took them a minute to get in a groove, but the Jazz are playing like an elite team. They defend tough and will be a problem come playoff time. This a 3-team race for the West title, I think. Jokic is returning to form, though, so I’d extend it to 4.

    It’s just tough to bet against Kawhi and LeBron in the playoffs, though.
     
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    I think it's between both LA teams. And, so far, the Lakers look like the better team, or, at least, the team that's playing better as a team, although allegedly, the Clippers have more talent on their roster.

    Denver is my third candidate (a somewhat distant one), due to Jokic rediscovering his form, but also the development of Michael Porter Jr. They need him to take the next step if they're going to be a contender, but so far, he seems like he's exactly the kind of guy they were missing. Still, it's tough to gauge how they're going to do in the playoffs, as lack of experience will play a role. They went to the second round last year and lost to a Portland team that doesn't seem like they're going to make the playoffs this season (although I think they're the most likely team currently outside of the playoffs to claim that last spot). They have to take that next step this year, and Porter is the guy that should elevate their potential. I just hope he stays healthy for that.

    And Utah is my fourth contender. Clarkson has been great for them since the trade, Bogdanovic has been a huge signing. Mitchell and Gobert keep carrying the team. Their role players are good. If anything, Conley has been a disappointment, but it's a new team, he hasn't been healthy... there's room to improve for him.

    And still, considering all that... I don't see them with the same ceiling as the above three teams. I think they're currently playing their best basketball. And that's pretty good, but I see the other three teams as able to add another gear come playoff time.
     
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    Dame Lillard since the Blazers beat us on Jan 21: 61 points and 7 assists vs us, 47 and 8 vs Dallas, 50 and 13 vs Indy, 36 and 11 vs Houston, 48 and 10 vs the Lakers and 51 and 12 vs Utah.

    That's f*cking insane. And Lillar is going to carry the Blazers to the playoffs almost by himself.
     
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    Dame is just ridiculous. He’s gotten better every year. If only he had a healthy Nurkic, I don’t think they’d be clawing for an eighth seed.

    Some trade rumors:

    * Iguodala is prepared to sit out the rest of the season if the Grizzlies do not agree to a deal to one of his preferred destinations. You can probably guess which cities those may be. No shock there. That’s been the agreement between both parties for months.

    * Minnesota is so enamored with DLo, they’ve explored every possible avenue to get him. The latest one was a three team trade where Atlanta gets Clint Capela, Houston gets Robert Covington and Minnesota gets picks. From who? Idk. But then they’d then flip those picks to incentivize the deal to get him. Myers is in no rush to trade him because he has all the power. Minnesota so wants to pair DLo and KAT. Gah, I wish Kahn was still GM. He would’ve thrown the house by now.
     
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    I was posting about that in the Warriors trade, but I can't see enough value in Minny's roster unless they're willing to move KAT (not happening, not yet at least). Even if they get picks for Covington (I think he'd be a great fit here, but can't make this deal work by himself), who else could they trade us? Wiggins? He played great at the start of the season, but he's back to his old self lately, and has a terrible deal. The rest of their roster is filled with role players. They would need to move those picks to a third team in order to trade us someone of value, and that's a complicated deal to make.
     
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    Quick thought about the young Grizzlies' beef with Iguodala... the kids are right. So much talk about being a pro and you're now willing to let the season play out without playing if you're not traded? I had a lot of respect for Iguodala for all of his career, but this is selfish and ill-advised. I do not agree with the notion that vets can choose when and for whom they play, particularly not when you're going to be paid $17 f*cking million and you're not even considering playing for the team that pays you, a team that, by the way, it's right in the middle of a playoff push!!!

    I guess Iguodala has been advised to keep this hard stance by his agent, probably other players, too. But this is beyond dumb. The Grizzlies should have forced him to play and stay with the team, or simply renounce the part of his salary while he's not willing to report. Or, if he doesn't like any of those two options, report him to the league and suspend him for the season because he simply is ignoring his contract.

    Very disappointed in Iguodala. I think this time he's wrong, and the young Grizz' have all the right in the world to be angry.
     
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    Also, seems like we've got a four-team deal almost done:

    Houston gets Covington and Jordan Bell
    Atlanta gets Capela and Nene
    Denver gets Noah Vonleh, Gerald Green, Noah Vonleh and Keita Bates-Diop plus a first round pick from Houston.
    Minnesota gets Malik Beasley, Juan Hernangonez, Evan Turner and Jarred Vanderbilt, plus a 2020 first round pick from Atlanta, via Nets.

    So, in case it gets done (still not finalized, as Gerald Green can veto the trade, but he's expected not too), Minnesota has lost his main trade asset for a first round pick. It's a good deal for Atlanta, not so sure for Houston (Covington will be good, but I'm not sure if losing Capela is a good idea) and Denver... well, they only lose one guy that matters, Beasley, and get a first rounder and Vonleh, who was solid last year for the Knicks.

    Complicated deal, and one that only Atlanta wins clearly. Everybody else is betting on something that might, or might not, be there.
     
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    I agree with you on the Grizzlies players upset with Andre. Nothing wrong with that.

    I disagree with forcing him to play and fining him. They traded for him knowing that he was never going to play for them because 1) they got a first round pick from the Warriors and 2) they always planned to trade him to a contender. They would’ve fined him a long time ago if they did not have this agreement in place.

    I look at it this way... if you were disgruntled with where you work yet had the opportunity to come to an agreement with your employer that you’d be transferred to one of the branches of your choosing while also keeping your same salary because they know eventually they can find value in return for your skill set, would you agree to that?

    The harsh truth is that we, as blue collar employees, would never have that kind of power. Guys of his nature in the NBA, do.

    Either way, he is going to get traded before or at 12PM PT this Thursday. Would be shocked if he did not. They didn’t trade for him to buy him out.

    EDIT;

    And there it is. The Grizzlies swapped Andre for Justise Winslow. Great value for this young team. They’re also working on turning it into a 3-team deal to land Gallinari, which would be a problem for everyone in the East.

    Also, Iguodala negotiated a two year, $30m extension with Miami (the 2nd year is a team option). So he keeps his $17M this year and then got at least an extra $15M. Get your money, Dre.
     
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    In any case, it doesn't say much about Iguodala to just stay away from a team that's competing for the playoffs. If he had been traded to a team that's losing game after game, well, maybe (although I simply disagree with the notion that a guy that's being paid and healthy can stay away from doing his job). But not when the team could have really used him.

    Oh, well... doesn't matter now.

    And I don't like the deal AT ALL for Miami. Winslow is better and cheaper than Iguodala. And they even sign him to a 2 year, $30 million extension? (basically a one year, because the second is a team option and I can't see them using up so much cap room in a 38 year's old Iguodala).

    The Heat can get better if they find a way to get Gallinari into the deal, but trading Winslow for Iguodala, at this point of their respective careers, it's a ridiculous move. Unless somebody wanted Winslow out of Miami, but I've never heard anything in that regard.
     
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    More moves:

    Dwayne Dedmon and two second round picks go to Atlanta for Jabari "Who plays defense?" Parker and Alex Len. Not sure what this deal does for Sacramento. For Atlanta, it's a good deal when you replace a backup center with another while adding a couple of picks.
     
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    And don’t forget Clint Capela. Think him with Trae Young will be great.
     
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    Lakers waive Demarcus Cousins....

    poor Boogie.. Can't catch a break anywhere.
     
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    Interesting how the All Star break has killed the Grizzlies momentum. They've lost all their games since then, and aren't looking like the same team. They've also lost Jaren Jackson Jr. for a couple of weeks, at least, and that comes at the worst possible time. Also, the schedule isn't doing them any favors, as they have only one easy game (at home vs New York) in what's left of the season.
     
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    And the "Biggest WTF? Game of the Season" award goes to... Aron Baynes! 37 points and 16 boards vs the Blazers, including 9!!! 3-pointers! Not bad.

    I'm actually surprised no contender traded for him before the deadline. There were some rumors that Phoenix might move him for a pick or a young player, but never happened.
     
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    I can't believe that Atkinson has been fired by the Nets.

    Yeah, "mutually agreed to part ways" my ass... Marks even said that the organization thought it was a necessary move.

    He's done a GREAT job, developing players, creating a Nets culture, making the playoffs last year and keeping them in a playoff spot this year with a ton of injuries. His job should be getting consideration for CoY. Instead, he's getting fired.

    The Nets were one of the teams with better chemistry on their roster last year, and they played really hard for their coach. Now?. It's a "necessary move" for the franchise to move the best coach they've had in the last decade (ok, that wasn't that hard).

    I'd be willing to bet anything that KD and Kyrie (at least the latter, but most likely both) are behind the firing.

    I just wish that owners had the guts to get in front of their star players and do what's right (not necessarily best for the franchise, because they'll argue that keeping a top player happy is what's best for the team, and they wouldn't be wrong... but that doesn't mean it's always the right or fair move).

    I'm starting to not care about the NBA, other than the Dubs. And I was a huge, huge fan. But between change rules to make the sport ridiculously soft and the fact that right now the league is a playground for spoiled kids, I'm feeling totally disconnected from the current NBA. Maybe I'm getting too old for this shit.

    Just hope that, if Kerr has to leave someday, Atkinson is available and willing to come to the Dubs.
     
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