Random NBA Thoughts

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  1. TMC

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    Double post!

    So, if all of the above is true, there's a clear cut loser of free agency:

    The LA Clippers.

    They had the cap room. They had the organization working like a clock. A great front office that has been courting top players all year long (Lawrence Frank went to Toronto several times to watch Kawhi... not talk to him, because that'd be tampering, if that mattered any more, but he was there and everybody knew it). An owner not afraid to spend. Young guys oozing talent. A great coach that has won everything.

    They haven't signed anybody that matters. And part of it, I think, is because they've focused on two top tier guys, KD and Kawhi, and tried to open cap space to sign both, so the moment one of them decided to not sign there (KD), the other had no reason to consider them, because it'd be going from a team that just won the ring to a team where he would have to carry everybody like in Toronto, except he had a better option in the same town playing with Lebron and AD!!! It couldn't f*cking work in a million years.

    They should have gone after someone else, a guy that can help right away. Have traded for Jimmy Butler. Sign DeAngelo Russell or Kemba Walker. Something. But do not let Kawhi see a team with two top 5 players in the same town and you staying put hoping that he decides to sign with your team just to... I don't know, stick it to the Lakers? Because, at this point, after winning titles with San Antonio and Toronto, he's got nothing else to prove by himself.

    (This is all hypothesis after my previous post... watch Kawhi sign with the Clippers and me looking like a fool in a couple of days).
     
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    Here’s a fun one: Nets GM Sean Marks found out KD was committing to the Nets via his “Boardroom” Instagram. He had no idea prior to that. That’s like when a boy/girl enters a relationship with someone and that someone had no idea they were even dating. Very middle school.
     
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    Can't say otherwise. KD announced he was signing with the Nets hours before free agency even started...
     
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    One thing I've always wondered and that didn't have an answer until now... why hasn't the league put a huge fine on Kawhi for tampering? Because what he did with PG was just that, tampering. And obviously they can't treat this as a franchise tampering with a player, but PG had a contract just signed a year ago and that's a clear case of tampering, one they didn't even try to hide...

    Well, it just happens that the league only acts if there's a formal complaint by a franchise (in this case, Toronto or the Lakers could have done that, also OKC, but it would work if any non-involved franchise had made a complaint). Of course, they didn't because they didn't want to upset Kawhi or any other stars that may want to target in the future. Cowards.

    The NBA also acts cowardly. If anything, this offseason has proven that tampering is allowed if it doesn't come from another franchise. In fact, we all know tampering is allowed, period. Several big signings were done before free agency started. That's how much the league cares about parity.

    And all that crap about player movement and stars wanting to play together being good for the league that comes from ESPN and other sources... Tell that to a small market team. Tell that to New Orleans in a few years, once Zion wants to leave for NYC. Tell that to Milwaukee if Giannis' leaves in two years. Parity makes a great league, free player movement does not. In fact, it transforms the NBA into something more similar to European soccer, where only a few teams have a chance year after year and everybody else is just along for the ride. But it's good for the league... yeah, sure, having NBA finals with LA or NYC is good for the ratings, that's the honest truth. Let's speak frankly here.

    And yes, it's not a popular opinion because "players should be free to choose where they play" and all that crap. But that's what it is, a bunch of BS. They get paid millions and millions, more with each year, they have careers that last 15 to 20 years and they can live and do whatever the f*ck they want with their lives once they retire, being set for life and in the case of the very best ones, for several generations more. Let's not give them even more leeway than they have, and it's sad because the league is doing absolutely nothing to prevent this from happening. In a few years, only major markets like LA, NYC, Miami, the Bay Area (not complaining here... in fact, the more parity in the league, the harder would be to be a contender), Chicago, Washington (if they ever learn how to run an NBA franchise) and Philadelphia will matter.

    I'm not even including the current champions, Toronto, because being in Canada, they've always had trouble keeping their stars (to the point that, other than Lowry and DeRozan, nobody re-signed there after their second contract), and they're a major, major market that never gets a big free agent signing.



    Rant over...
     
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    Great rant TMC!
     
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    I get it TMC... I dont like it either. However I am not sure it is tampering when you are a FA. Tampering comes into play when you are trying to get someone to your team, Kahwi had no team and was not under contract. Besides, the NBA has a long tradition of allowing players to talk and recruit other players... as long as they do not offer a financial incentive, NBA does not consider player to player conversations tampering and will look the other way. Add on the fact that Kahwi was not doing it on behalf of any particular team, no way will they jump in here.
     
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    Agree with you wholeheartedly, TMC. But I can’t fully be against it since technically, Draymond texted KD in the parking lot of losing in 2016.

    This is a common theme in today’s NBA. Guys text each other often talking about what it would be like to play together. Basketball ops get wind of these conversations between players, but they never say anything for exactly what you said unless you’re forgetful like Magic Johnson. For all we know, Curry’s had side conversations with someone like Giannis or Embiid about playing together one day. How do you stop it? You can’t. Limit it? Well, I’m sure that’s one topic that will be talked about during the next CBA.
     
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    I don’t think I’ll ever hate this Clippers team. Sterling/CP3/Griffin were easy to root against.

    But Ballmer is hilarious. Just larger than life. His behavior during the press conference intro for Kawhi & PG was just the best. Him and Joe Lacob are, by far, the most colorful governors.

    Then you have Lou Will, Harrell, George, etc. and then there’s Kawhi. Who just wants to win. Period. Doesn’t care about your social media. Doesn’t care about the leading off Sportscenter. Doesn’t care what a tabloid says. He’s just a real dude. I respect that.
     
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    Not really. According to NBA tampering rules, "no player, coach or management person may entice or induce a player under contract with another team to play for his team". It can apply to free agents that want other guys to move to the teams they've decided to join, but the NBA office has told teams that they will only investigate such issues under a formal complaint by another franchise. Which is exactly the loophole players are taking advantage of.

    I don't know how, but there's gotta be a way to stop it. Maybe make it straight tampering except when players are in the last year of their contracts (in European soccer, it is allowed to talk to a player during the last 6 months of their current deal, but it becomes tampering if you do it before that threshold). And sanctions have to matter, like really matter. In case of teams, lose all the picks of their next draft and forbid them to trade for picks in that draft. If players are the ones doing the tampering, apply a 4 to 7 game suspension, but apply that suspension for the next playoff series they qualify for. Some more real than the current tampering fines, because it's clear it's not working.

    Just thinking out loud without really considering it carefully... it's the first thing that comes to mind. But something has to happen to fix it. Steve Kerr said that it's a problem the other day, maybe the biggest problem the league is facing currently, and it's gotta be fixed somehow.
     
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    Great, great story about David Griffin, focused on the Pelicans but with plenty of interesting tidbits about his Cavs tenure.

    https://www.si.com/nba/2019/08/01/d...on-anthony-davis-trade-lebron-james-cavaliers

    Of course, it's not particularly flattering to Lebron and the Cavs, and they've already told Griff that he needs to "add context" to some quotes.

    I love Griff. He's one of my favorite GMs in the league, and the rebuilding in New Orleans is going to be a quick one (luck plays a role, of course, because without Zion the situation would be different). Really hope he gets the success he deserves there.
     
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    Damn, Boogie can't catch a break... he barely found any market at all in free agency, and now this. He's never gonna get the payday he was looking for, and what's more, he's proven to be so injury-prone the last couple of years that he's gotta be looking at a series of one-year deals, at least for a while. And that supposing he can come back and perform well after this setback.
     
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    That sucks. Hope he gets his redemption one day.

    I just saw Prokhorov is selling his 51% stake in the Nets to Joseph Tsai, the co-founder of Alibaba (who currently owns the other 49%). The final price tag? A cool record of $2.35 billion; besting Ballmer’s $2 billion. The Russian still walks away in the positive after all he invested into the franchise. Yowie wowie!

    Edit;

    Missed Tilman Fertitta buying the Rockets for $2.2B.

    And in case you’re wondering, the Warriors are valued at $3.5B. Only the Lakers and Knicks are valued higher at $3.7B and $4B.
     
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    LOL, I remember thinking that Lacob and Gruber were insane to spend $450 million for the Warriors in 2011.
     
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    The move to acquire the Nets is going to cost Tsai a grand total of $3.35 billion. He paid $1 billion last year for a 49% share of the franchise, is paying $1.35 billion now for the remaining 51% and also will pay $1 billion more for the Barclays Center.

    Meanwhile, Prokhorov bought the Nets in 2010 for $223 million (basically covering the Nets debt at the time), made the move to Brooklyn and to the new arena (paying for 45% of the arena with his own money... it wouldn't have happened if he hadn't paid a big part of the facility) and is now selling for close to $3.5 billion. Incredible return and, for a guy that had no clue how to run a team, he's the reason the Nets can consider themselves a modern top franchise in the NBA. Without him, the move to Brooklyn and the Barclays Center don't happen.
     
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    The Russians know a thing or two about how to do business in America ;)

    But really, that type of value validates why these “crazy” contracts players are receiving exist. The market is booming for the NBA. Even if you had any doubt, there was absolutely no question the Warriors would’ve been able cash out KD/Curry/Klay/Green max money.
     
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    The Dubs and Nets are clear examples of franchises which value was boosted a lot in recent years, for success (in our case) and location (both franchises), but the whole NBA value is way up, and has been going up for the last decade at a crazy rate.

    The Bucks were bought by Wes Edens and Marc Lasry for $550 million in 2014 (not so long ago), in a deal that was above market value at the time, and now they're valued at $1.4 billion. And we're talking about one of the smallest markets in the league, one that had viability concerns before drafting Giannis' and getting a new arena.
     

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