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Discussion in 'Know Your Enemy' started by Quazza, Aug 16, 2010.

  1. TMC

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    I'm not picking Milwaukee over us, just saying that Bucks are a better rival than the Lebron Cavs ever were. A better roster and, above anything else, far better coached. They also played particularly bad in this last game.

    So we shouldn't get cocky vs Milwaukee. It's got the potential to be one of the better finals matchups in recent years.
     
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    They definitely will give us a lot more competition than the last season of lebron at Cleveland.
     
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    Last year's Cavs were the worst iteration, but I think this Bucks team is even better than the Lebron/Kyrie/Love team that won a ring three years ago (and that wouldn't have won sh*t if not for Draymond's suspension).
     
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    I share your thoughts about the Bucks TMC. Their length will give us issues. Ultimately their lack of experience and being used to playing this long will hurt them.
     
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    Another factor is that I love coach Budenholzer. I think the Bucks are really well coached and that shows on the court and in their in-game adjustments. These Bucks share the same core of last year's team (yes, they've added a few valuable pieces in Lopez, Ilyasova and Mirotic, but the core is the same: Giannis, Bledsoe, Middleton and Brogdon), except now they have a coach that knows what he's doing.

    Coaching is really important. Lue was decent for the Cavs because of chemistry, mostly, as he was able to deal with Lebron, and that's not an easy achievement. But coach Budenholzer is on a different level.
     
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    My point is that from what I've seen, they stand in a circle on offense and watch Giannis try to get a bucket and if not, he kicks to one of their 3pt shooters.

    We know how to defend that, see Houston Rockets... I think the Rockets were/are generally tougher to beat than these two teams. Not by much but still tougher to beat.
    Milwaukee's coach and chemistry are better though.
     
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    Love Coach Budenholzer. They've lost the game, but he keeps coaching like he's got to, always thinking about the team and not afraid of making decisions. Last one is playing Eric Bledsoe only 20 minutes in their last game, because Bledsoe has been atrocious the whole series. He's been signed to a big extension by the Bucks, but Budenholzer didn't care and kept him glued to the bench for most of the game. The Bucks just play better with Brogdon and Hill sharing the backcourt (even tho Brogdon had a rough shooting game himself).

    And then you find an article in ESPN trying to spin it and saying that the Bucks were trying to reassure Bledsoe... no, he was shooting like crap and Budenholzer sat him for most of the game. That's it.

    In any case, the Raptors did what they had to do and the series go back to Milawukee 2-2. I still think the Bucks are a better team, but it's just winning 2 out of 3 and the Raptors supporting cast has done a good job helping Kawhi in the last two games. So anything can happen...

    If I had to bet, I'd still do it for the Bucks winning the series 4-2, tho. But, as a Dubs fan, I think beating Toronto (still a good team, still better than the Cavs teams we've beaten the last two years) is going to be easier than Milwaukee, so I will be rooting for the Raptors, no doubt about it.
     
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    Weird game 5 between the Bucks and the Raptors. Uncharacteristically, the Bucks couldn't hit from outside, and even tho Bledsoe finally came out to play, the Bucks had an awful shooting night and missed plenty of open looks. Also uncharacteristically, the Raptors couldn't miss from outside.

    So it wasn't a normal game for any of those two teams, and now the Raptors go back home one win away from making the finals. It'd be a great achievement for them, and maybe a way to convince Kawhi to stay.

    We'll see what happens. I still think Milwaukee has been the better team all season, but a good team doesn't lose 4 straight games to a worse one... It'd be a major surprise to me, but that's why games are played.
     
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    The Bucks have been exposed. Send the Greek Freak to the line and make quick passes. Bye bye Bucks.
     
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    Call me crazy, but i dont get all the gushing over Kawhi tonight. He wasnt special tonight. I really thought Giannis took a step back tonight. He was so quick to pass it out.. was afraid to shoot.. and compromised the shot clock many times.

    The Raptors did play some intense defense and they got some guys hitting the deep ball during their run. But man, Giannis and Kawhi both looked gassed.. im wondering how Kawhi will be at the end of games against the Warriors.
     
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    Well, never, in a million years, would have expected to see Milwaukee lose 4 straight games to Toronto. The most they had lost all season long was two consecutive games. Toronto is a good team, but they're not that good. This defeat is on the Bucks.

    In any case, I'm happy for the Raptors. Toronto has a GREAT fanbase (not Dubs great, of course, but among the best in the NBA) and they fully deserve this trip to the finals.
     
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    I think he was pretty special. Actually, he finished the game with 27 points, 17 boards, 7 assists, 2 steals and 2 blocks. I think that's pretty great.

    This was his performance in the last two minutes of the third quarter, with the Raptors down by 15:
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    Agreed on Giannis performance, tho. He was maybe the biggest disappointment. Never looked like he was ready to carry his team on his back.
     
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    Bucks looked gassed but mainly put this on their coach. That guy is completely incapable of making adjustments. Been that way his whole career. Great assistant, bad head coach.
     
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    Funny enough, i missed this part of the game, so yea that may have altered my perception of his game. In the 4th quarter, i just saw a lot of deferring, kicking out and missing jumpers.
     
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    Haha... that might be, Rob. But seriously, Kawhi has carried the Raptors the whole playoffs. He's been dominant and, so far, the MVP of the playoffs.

    Bob Myers talked the other day about the playoffs being the true measure of players (he's right), and Kawhi is one of those that elevate his game come playoff time. He's a great example of what Myers was talking about.

    Whatever happens, he's carried Toronto to its first NBA finals, so the trade, even if he leaves, has been a massive success for the Raptors. And I think they really have a chance to keep him after this playoff run. If they had been out in the second round, I think Kawhi would have moved to the Clippers for sure... right now, I don't know what's gonna happen, but this run certainly helps them keep him.
     
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    The Pelicans are going to be fucking stacked next year. The Lakers are offering...

    Lonzo + Ingram + #4 pick for AD

    The Pelicans are like nah, we want Kuzma too. The Lakers have initially said no, but they are going to have to offer Kuzma. No other major star wants to play with LeDouche hahababzbzbbzbzbxjdjhahah!!!

    Anyway, whether or not the Pelicans trade with the Lakers, they will trade AD for a fuckton of talent.

    Zion is the new alpha athlete. One of the reasons basketball is so great is because they have some of the best athletes on the planet. The very best athletes in the NBA, imho, represent the very best athletes on the planet. LeDouche has long been the gold standard for alpha athlete. His combination of size, speed, strength, agility, hand-eye coordination, endurance was probably unmatched by any other human. Zion looks like the next alpha. What a fucking beast! I can't wait to watch Zion next year, and I can't wait to see who the Pelicans surround him with.

     
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    AD is great, but he's not carrying a team to victory like LeDouche or Steph/KD.

    With Bron they are formidable but still not enough to take over the West.
     
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    I never liked Lonzo. Decent PG, but vastly overrated.

    If I'm New Orleans, I'm trying to make a deal with Boston and get Tatum and some of their picks, trying to include a third team if needed. Boston will need a commitment from Kyrie before making that deal, because AD is leaving Boston if he's the only star of the team after next season. And Kyrie seems to be leaning toward signing with Brooklyn, which complicates matters a lot...

    New York also has a good chance. The #3, Knox and two future first rounders (the ones they got from Dallas), plus another player from a third team might just do the trick.

    I just don't think much of the Lakers young guys. The best asset the Lakers have is the #4 pick (I love Garland and think he can be great next to Holiday in New Orleans), and Kuzma is a very good scorer. But I'd have my share of concerns regarding Ingram's health (plus, he's not particularly effective when the ball isn't in his hands, and New Orleans would have a lot of playmakers that will take chances from him) and I do not want anything to do with Lonzo. So if I'm New Orleans, I'm only trading AD to LA if I get the #4 pick, Kuzma, a couple of future picks and another good player from a third team. Not an easy deal to figure out.
     
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    Alright, so to avoid mixing real world rumors and moves with my predictions in the same thread, which would make it quite hard to read, here are my predictions about who moves where in the upcoming crazyness of free agency:

    Kawhi.- Stays in Toronto, short term deal, 1+1 or 2+1 at most. Tries to defend their title with the Raptors keeping their core.

    KD.- NY Knicks. I think he wants to move to New York, and the Knicks will offer him the max.

    Klay.- Stays with us, of course.

    Kemba.- Back to Charlotte for a gazillion of bucks. Will demand a trade in two seasons.

    Edit: Kemba's choice was before news of MJ not willing to sign him to a supermax. Stupidity can change even the best predictions.

    Kyrie.- Brooklyn Nets. Except it's not the same without KD joining him.

    De'Angelo Russell.- Lakers. They miss out on Kemba and sign Russell for a bit less than the max, but still a lot of money that cripples their chances to add anybody else that matters.

    Jimmy Butler.- Stays with the Sixers.

    Khris Middleton.- Signs a max deal with Milwaukee.

    Toby Harris.- Not sure what to think about him. Right now, I think he joins Kyrie in Brooklyn once they realize KD is not going.

    Malcolm Brogdon.- Boston makes him an offer too high for Milwaukee to match.

    Bojan Bogdanovic.- And here's the Clippers big signing...

    DeMarcus Cousins.- Joins KD in New York. Signing Cousins would be the most Knicks thing the Knicks can do. And they LOVE to do Knicks things.

    Al Horford.- No f*cking clue. Dallas says they're not signing him. Boston thinks he's signing a 4 year, $110 to $120 million somewhere. New Orleans says it's not them. We'll see...

    I'll post more as soon as I think of them. These are more than enough to start... :cool:
     
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    Two things I've been hearing/reading from several sources, not just a few...

    - Kawhi will honor his word and will have his recruiting pitch with Toronto, but he's going to be a Laker. Lebron and Magic told him what he wanted to hear, and he's going back California. If it happens, the era of the superteams is not over yet, just moved down to South Cali.

    - KD's move to Brooklyn has a lot to do with things that have nothing to do with basketball and winning more titles (he'll try, that's for sure). First, the medical staff of the Nets really mattered, as much as teaming up with Kyrie. Seems like three teams have medical/training staff (not facilities) far better than the rest of the league: Brooklyn, Toronto and Miami. And it matters.

    Also, the chance to be the East Coast icon and all the business opportunities that come with that. Could have he made that in the West Coast? Yes, to a certain extent, because Lebron is the one running that side of the show in LA.

    And finally, he was going to sign with the Knicks, Kyrie or not Kyrie, like everybody expected for the whole season, til the Knicks balked at the last our. It didn't sit well with him that, with him in New York days before the opening of free agency, the Knicks decided to go to LA to recruit other free agents. The Knicks made an offer, not the max, and the decision to not join them was easy.
     

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