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Discussion in 'Know Your Enemy' started by Quazza, Aug 16, 2010.

  1. TMC

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    Good for New Orleans. Now they have AD, who doesn't want to be there, and the most promising rookie in years to entice him to stay... except Zion also looked like he doesn't want to go there...

    That's life as a small market NBA team.

    If, somehow they can keep AD and make him join Zion and Jrue, that's a terrific building block. It's going to be a really interesting offseason for New Orleans.
     
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    Is NO a "small" market? There are a lot of people in NO.

    Think of all the trade options the Pelicans have to consider. I'd ditch AD and build around Zion with a good assist guy and a bunch of shooters. Ben Simmons, half of the Celtics?
     
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    I think NO has to absolutely trade AD. Why risk him leaving for nothing, when you can get a serious haul for him. I think they should revisit the laker trade, and either scoop up that 4th pick with a couple players, or go the Lonzo, Kuzma, Ingram route.. Sticking those guys with Zion would make them competitive in my opinion. But of course, there are other teams they can explore trades with.
     
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    The smallest in the entire NBA.

    NY, LA, Chicago and Toronto compete in another level. The rest of the NBA is way behind in terms of market size (except Toronto is... well, Canada, so its market size gets downgraded because of that).

    The Bay Area is the 11th biggest market of NBA teams, just so you can make a picture of the current situation.

    And there are several teams that have very minor markets that have A LOT of trouble getting free agents or even rookies to stay. New Orleans is the smallest one, but Memphis is not much bigger, and the next ones (in increasing size) are OKC, Milwaukee, San Antonio and Utah. Those are very good teams, but teams that can only sign good free agents if they're contenders. Nobody is going there unless they have a good team already in place. If those teams have something in common, is that they built great teams after drafting big stars, not the other way around.


    Back to topic, if I'm New Orleans, I wouldn't want anything the Lakers can trade to me. I'd try to get Tatum, Smart and a couple of this year's first rounders and maybe a future pick from the Celtics. Or try to see what happens with Toronto, but that's playing the long game... but if Kawhi stays in Toronto, they're going to be more than open to trade for a star like AD, and maybe Siakam becomes available. Maybe the Clippers can offer a good package as well.

    I think Davis is gone, and I also think he's making a big mistake leaving New Orleans right now, but I don't think he's gonna change his mind at this point. But the market is not gonna be a great one, because the best chip the Knicks had was winning the lottery, and the Pelicans already have that pick. The Lakers offer won't be much better than what they already offered (yeah, well, they might add the #4 pick... in a three players draft) and Boston doesn't know what they're going to do with Kyrie, with half their fanbase willing to drive him to the airport in order to make sure he never plays for the Celtics again.

    If I'm Philly, I'm staying away from AD. Embiid is their star, their best guy and a player that needs space inside. Simmons plays better with Embiid on the bench, and it's the same the other way around, as both guys use the same space in the court, so adding AD can make the problem even worse.

    I'm sure Miami will try to get AD somehow, because that's how Riley thinks... just not sure what they can offer.

    So I think Boston, Toronto and the Clippers are the teams to watch here. But there's no certainty with any of them.
     
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    Philly is a headache. They need more spacing because in a half court, I’m not betting on Simmons+Embiid to close it out. Jimmy Butler was a great deal for them because of his toughness, but the Sixers need to find a way to open it up more. Between Butler and Harris, I’d consider retaining Butler over Harris, but they need more shooters (and for Simmons to develop a jump shot).
     
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    Simmons would be deadly, even if he just develops that Livingston mid range.
     
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    Simmons has just the worst flaw a player can have in modern basketball.

    And what can you do? He either fixes it or they move him out of their backcourt, but if you move him inside and make him play PF, Embiid loses the space he needs to operate inside.

    If he's not willing to become a semi-reliable outside shooter (he doesn't have to become Steph, but he needs to be able to keep defenses honest), the Sixers should consider moving him. I just can't fathom a guy that refuses to shoot in today's basketball.
     
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    In other NBA news, the Wizards are meeting with Tim Connelly. It'd be a great move for Washington, as Connelly is one of the brightest front office guys in the entire NBA, and the Nuggets are allowing him to interview for the position because he needs to go back to the Beltway due to family circumstances.

    Washington is in a tough spot, but at the same time, it's a great opening because Leonsis gives their GMs plenty of time and resources to rebuild. It'd be a very interesting hire for the franchise.


    Also, Tyreke Evans won't play in the NBA for two years, after violating the terms of its anti-drug program. He can be reinstated after those two years, but he'd come back as a 31 to 32 years old guy that hasn't played at the NBA level for two years, so who knows if we have seen the last of him in the NBA.
     
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    The Bucks are pretty f*cking good. Best series we've had in years if both teams make it to the finals. Toronto doesn't look like they have a chance, and the Raptors have Kawhi playing at MVP level.
     
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    Dont tell me nothing until Toronto has played at home. If Milwaukee continues to stomp them in Toronto, then we can talk.

    Toronto cant shoot for shit though..
     
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    The Raptors are hit or miss in every game. They're in the east finals because Kawhi has been a monster in the playoffs, but Lowry has had a few good games and others in which he was more detrimental than anything for his team. Siakam has been playing injured the last 4 games and, for whatever reason, Gasol and Ibaka play much, much worse on the road.

    As for their bench, a supposed strength of the team, Van Vleet has been awful for the whole playoffs, Powell hasn't done much, Anunoby hasn't played (surgery) and I already talked about Ibaka. That leaves Kawhi as the only reliable guy they have. He really can't do more than what he's doing right now. And when he gets any kind of help, the Raps are tough.

    But I really believe the Bucks will close the series in 5 games. They're that good. And defensively, they're on a completely different level than last year. That's how much a good coach matters.
     
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    Was watching that last Bucks vs Raptors game... Fear the Deer indeed. If we make it there and meet them, this won't be a team of Lebron and a bunch of scrubs. It's a complete team with a bunch of guys having fun, just like us in 2015. Their "bench mob" put up 50 something points. Giannis is a force of nature... they got several guys who can stroke the 3, and they play defense. We'll need KD more than ever...
     
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    I disagree that we need KD to beat the Bucks or Toronto. Neither team will be able to disrupte Steph and Klay (enough) when you have three other Warriors on the court with them (instead of two) that are screen/pass first shoot second.
     
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    I said we’ll need him more than ever, not that we need him to beat them. They are going to be harder to beat than the last two vs Lebron’s. Bucks are just a more complete team.
     
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    The benches will be key in that series. The Bucks have some talent there and the Warriors have shown effectiveness in spurts. So those start of the 2nd and 4th quarter units will be key or else you’ll be likely be seeing the starters play 40+ minutes.
     
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    And the Bucks are very well coached, while the Cavs practically coached themselves (or Lebron did it, more accurately). It won't be easy.

    If somehow Toronto makes it to the finals, it also will be tougher than the finals vs the Cavs, but certainly easier than Milwaukee. The Raptors have good defenders and Kawhi, but offensively, they're more limited. The Bucks are a more complete team on both sides of the court.

    We might be able to beat them without KD, but it's not going to be easy. Maybe going 3-0 vs the Blazers got us a bit overconfident, but I expect this Milwaukee team to be the biggest test these Dubs have faced since we started to win rings.
     
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    Toronto cant shoot.. toronto would get swept.

    Milwaukee.. im on the fence about. I dont think either team can handle the Warriors runs if they are fully healthy.
     
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    Toronto just beat Milwaukee in double overtime. Perfect for us.
     
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    Just watched that double overtime game and while they are both very good teams that compete, I am a lot less concerned about playing either of them. Both have the most boring stand around the perimeter and watch your superstar create style of offense. Warriors know how to defend that easy.
     
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    Ageed Money! All these "experts" picking Milwaukee over us... silliness.
     

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