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Discussion in 'Know Your Enemy' started by Quazza, Aug 16, 2010.

  1. Money

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    I agree. When has he got 25+ pt averages? That's what your star player should get at a minimum.

    I was going to say he and Dragon might be a nice tandem but looks like he may be part of the deal.
     
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    I think Miami is out of luck til 2020 unless they can get a star via trade. That's Butler. And, with him, that's an almost assured ticket the second round of the playoffs in the east. Maybe conference finals if they're lucky with the playoff matchups. And that should be it, not a contender in any way.

    But it'd be nice to see Wade leaving the game with a competitive team, so here's hoping something gets done and Miami gets a healthy Butler. A team that has Richardson, Adebayo and Butler (I'm giving Justice Winslow to Minny, because I think at least one of those three will have to go with Dragic to entice the Wolves) is going to be a really tough matchup defensively for any team in the east. Not enough to beat Boston, of course, but nobody knows what's going to happen in Toronto and might be enough to beat Philly.

    Of course, that doesn't even guarantee they can get past Washington (if everybody fits in nicely, which is not likely considering the guys they've signed/traded for), Milwaukee (have improved at coaching, but still need more help for the Greek Freak other than Middleton) or Indy (better than last year, and they almost beat Cleveland)...

    The east is going to be fun this year. Almost any team in the west would be better than most teams in the east, but it's going to be fun.
     
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    I'm going to wait to watch him play before making a definitive statement, but I have this gut feeling that Gordon Hayward is done. I just can't see him rebounding from that injury and being just as fast/explosive. Not that his game was fast and explosive to begin with .. but ... anyone watch the Celtics yet?
     
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    I think it's a bit early yet. It takes time to come back from that injury. Even if he comes back to his best level, it might not happen til the end of the regular season.
     
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    Man, the NBA really needs to bring the Sonics back to Seattle. What a great atmosphere in yesterday's game. Can't believe that town doesn't have a team.

    Seems like expansion is not a short-term option at this point (not til 2025 at least), but there are teams that aren't doing well in their current locations. In any case, the NBA has to seriously consider finding a way to bring NBA basketball back to Seattle.
     
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    How about bringing an NBA team back to Oakland?
     
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    For me Chase Center may as well be in New Jersey!
     
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    I am with you. And I live in the "schitty". in short my arguments are:
    1. stay loyal to Oakland
    2. don't bring that added traffic over here!
    3. The pattern of good sports teams, building a new stadium, moving in, and suddenly the team goes to shit!

    There's a "jump the shark" element to it all that I don't like. So brazen.
    Only so much the basketball gods will allow... lol
     
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    Love this post! I really think its a mistake. Sure they will make a shit ton of revenue, but home court advantage will be gone. And KD will as well. It will curse the team back to mediocrity.
     
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    I sincerely hope not! and maybe Lacobs checkbook will continue to front the deal, but I just dont like the move overall....
     
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    Jimmy Butler is back at practice with the Twolves... and crazier than ever.

    Don't know how it can get worse for Minnesota. They've decided to go with KAT as the face of the franchise, and that means this isn't going to go away, things won't get fixed unless KAT changes (and I bet he won't as long as Jimmy is on the team), so the best option for them is to revive trade talks with Miami. If the offer was Josh Richardson (a very good, and young, two-way player) and a protected first rounder, they won't get much more than that for a guy that's on the last year of his deal.
     
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    The thing that may be tough to swallow for Minnesota is, what if Jimmy is right? Obviously, they aren't going to strip the team and give it to Butler.. but they are going to hang their hat on Wiggins and Towns. Two talented players, that just may not be winners.
     
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    That's the issue. That Jimmy is right about KAT and Wiggins. And they know it, because they tested the market last year regarding Wiggins and nobody wanted to trade much of value for him considering the amount he's signed for.

    As for KAT, he's going to be the face of the Twolves from now on, but he's not a winner. And I think they know it, they simply had no option other than signing him to that extension.
     
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    Quick comment from the league's first week: I love what Nick Nurse is doing with the Raptors. Not only how well he's integrated Kawhi in their roster, which is mostly on Kawhi's state of mind than anything else, but how he has revamped the Raps rotation, moving long time starters like Valanciunas or CJ Miles to the bench in order to bolster their second unit (one of the deepest, if not the deepest in the whole NBA) and allowing guys like Siakam to claim a starting spot.

    So far, the Raps are playing almost flawless basketball and look like the best team in the East. They don't have as much talent as Boston, but the Celtics offense is still in development, trying to ease back Hayward into the rotation. Toronto looks like a more solid team at this point. And I think they can keep it up for the whole season if they remain healthy.

    Philly looks like a distant third team from those two at this point. Might not even be the third best team in the East, as Indiana is also playing really well.
     
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    Interesting to see how the dust settles from Lebron's departure from the EC.
    I still have:
    Boston
    Toronto
    Philly
    Indy

    come April.....
     
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    Rockets just offered 4 first round picks to the TWolves for Butler! Wow. Stupid if they don't take it, but if they do, they should get someone other that Thibideux to do the picking.

    If this happens, the Rockets are right back in business.
     
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    Why would it be stupid? Those are extremely low picks. They're offering all those picks because they can't offer anything else than low picks and cap relief (particularly in a few days, when they'll be able to add Brandon Knight's contract to that offer, a expirer next year).

    But as for the picks themselves? They aren't offering more picks because they can't, and it's nice to have picks, but if things go well for Houston, those are going to be almost second rounders.

    I think Miami's offer of a first round pick and Josh Robinson (and fillers) was a better one.
     
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    Agreed TMC, and because of the rule that you cant trade 1st rounders in successive years... the BEST case is those are:
    2019
    2021
    2023
    2025

    7-8 years is a long time to reap full benefit of a trade. Given the picks most likely will be late 1sts, and their core will be aging by the time they see much benefit, not sure it is a no brainer.
     
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    Ah, I guess I read "first round" and just assumed higher picks. Did not know that about the successive year rule. That makes it a lot less enticing. Thanks for clearing that up fellas
     
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    Rockets being 1-5 makes me LOL!!!

    EVERYTHING has gone bad for them immediately after Paul do the shimmy in Curry's face.

    As Mr Vernon said in Breakfast Club, "you mess with the bull, you get the horns!"
     
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