Discussion in 'Know Your Enemy' started by Quazza, Aug 16, 2010.
Lonzo is too scared to tell Pops that.
Too traumatized by numerous childhood beat downs is my guess
I agree with that last part. Lavar is entertaining to me, but he doesn't know when to quit. I do think he has made some horrible choices for his sons and is stunting their growth as men.
I doubt it has anything to do with beatdowns. I think Lavar is an overbearing parent that has handled all aspects of his kids lives and always controlled things to the point where if things weren't going their way, he'd find a way to make it go their way.
This. But let's keep in mind that he's not the only one to blame. The media needs to share the blame here as well. They give him a platform that he doesn't deserve, and Lavar would be nothing without it.
Of course, it's easier said than done. Media right now is business, and making the NBA a reality show keeps people coming for more, as sad as that is.
They definitely do... The funny part is how the media makes what he says important. I loved Luke's sarcasm when he said he pulled Lonzo cuz his dad was talkin shit. The media makes it seem as if his words will actually have an impact.
The sad part is, i'm sure he's making a situation where people want Lonzo to fail, and will make it so that teammates have a hard time just being a teammate. I hope Lonzo at some point gets the balls to tell him to shut up, but we'll see. I'm impressed with some of what i see with Lonzo. He still can't shoot, but he can pass and get to the rim. He has the size to become a good defender as well. He looked pretty decent as a defender the last time the Warriors played them.
This may not be a popular opinion, and I'm not saying I agree with his methods, I just respect the fact that he's been out there building something for his family and is there for his family. He's given them choices. Whether they apply his perspective or not is totally up to them. But he's said it himself in an interview, if they don't take it, that is fine, but they have to understand that he can't help them if that's a road they go.
BTW, if you have read the piece or headline that ESPN put out on the Luke Walton quote... you fell prey to ESPN's click-bait grabbing headline. If you watch the full interview, while he does say those words, he also mentions that they probably want to play as hard as they can for him. It's contradicting. And it's the media AKA ESPN, playing coy to its audience and influencing them with the quote that will create an absolute firestorm... which it did and even caused other ESPN journalists to write more on it!
The Lakers' biggest problem is NOT LaVar Ball. It's ESPN giving a platform... and highlighting his worst quotes.
He pulled his son out of college and another son out of high school. He is not "there for his family" or "building something for his family"... he is building something for HIMSELF at the EXPENSE of his children. He has made maximizing the 15 min of fame they have with their "brand" a high priority then his children's growth and future as people. LiAngelo and LaMelo are NOT pro level players, but their whole live now is about basketball which will account for about another 3-5 years for them. Then what? They have no education or other experiences to fall back on.
As a fellow father, LaVar makes me SICK! He is a terrible father. I have ZERO respect for fathers that dont make EVERY decision with the lens of what is the best thing for my children.
I agree with Bada on this one. Lavar is a bad person, and terrible father.
At a certain point, you have to take a step back, let your adult son make his own mistakes and learn on his own. Make his own decisions.
As a father, I look forward to that day! somewhere between 18 and 22 years old or so, where I don't have to hound my kids about getting shit done and being on time, etc...
Totally agree with Bada. Also, I don't think he's giving them choices, XBay. He's making the choices for them. And saying that it's fine if they decide to not follow his advice, but that he won't be able to help them, it's just a sort of emotional blackmail.
And, as other have said, you gotta let your kids go their way, being always there for them, but letting them make mistakes and realize what it takes to be successful in life (and being "successful in life" has an extremely broad definition).
In short, it won't end well. Lonzo is going to get hurt because of Lavar antics. Rob is right that it has the potential to become an issue in the locker room once other players start resenting all the attention he gets. Lonzo is going to play with A LOT more pressure just because of his father.
This is killing me over here... Just laughing like Shaq and Charles at the Houston Rockets attempts to enter the Clipper locker room...
What's interesting is some of our biggest threats seem to be dismantling themselves. Cavs got issues, Rockets too, and the Spurs just don't seem right right now.
Not until Kwahi is full healthy...
I'm starting to think about the Celtics, and I hope Kerr and staff are too.
They are a tough match up, and we also have the distinct possibility of getting out coached..
Boston is setup to make some noise, and i like how the Raptors play as well. The east will be interesting. Overall, when the Warriors engage on defense for longer stretches.. no team has a chance. I'm also hoping that Kerr doesn't throw out the Draymond, Livingston, West, Iguodala, Klay lineup he has been using lately. The offense just comes to a halt. Maybe in the playoffs, the defense would come out, it just seems like there is no flow. Teams stick to Klay knowing he's the major scoring threat. They let Livingston and West go Iso.. and it just doesn't work well in my opinion.
I think Boston is the ONLY team that has the potential to beat us. They have the length on the wings that is mandatory to trying to beat us.
especially if the warriors go into that careless mode. I've seen at times, when teams buckle down and increase the defensive pressure, the Warriors tend to look for the easy way out.
The Raptors are great, but the Celtics are a harder matchup, both in the way the rosters are built and coaching. Raps still have plenty of need on their rosters and lack outside shooting.
Once again, f*ck injuries. Cousins was having a great season leading the Pels (alongside Davis) back to the playoffs. And now he's done for the year and let's see how he plays once he's back, because a teared achilles is one of the worst injuries a basketball player can have.
OUCH. That sucks for Boogie and the Pels
Just saw Woj break that the Clippers sent Blake Griffin (plus Brice Johnson & Willie Reed) to the Pistons for Tobias Harris, Avery Bradley, Boban Marjanovic and a 1st round pick (1-4 protected in 2018-2020, unprotected in 2021) and 2nd round pick.
Looks like the Clips were ready to move on... and clear some cap space for a big summer free agent pool.
Damn, that's a trade I don't like for anybody.
The Clips basically traded Blake for a first and a second round picks. Bradley is going to be a free agent and likely not back in LA. Tobias Harris has one more year to become a free agent as well (and, honestly, he's a good player, but not someone you can build around). Marjanovic is just filler to make numbers work.
So the Clips are in full rebuilding mode, with DeAndre and Lou probably going next. Not sure they could have gotten more for Blake after signing him to a huge deal last summer, but it's clear they're going the rebuilding route. Worst part is that they sold the idea of being the face of the Clippers and that "you're gonna be a Clipper for life" this past offseason to Blake, just to get rid of him a few months later.
As for Detroit, they probably wanted to add talent to the team that they could keep long term. But they're so thin that there's a huge risk they become the Clippers East. And losing their first rounder in the trade. Not a good spot to be in.
Loser of the deal? Blake, that much is clear.
Blake is the most over paid player in the NBA. Took the Clippers a while to realize that, and they jumped ship...don't blame them.
can we get sweet Lou on a deal?
PMcCaw has regressed, so has Livingston. I want to see Pat step up and become a more aggressive scorer, but at this point, Ian Clark was more reliable.
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