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  1. Chum

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    I think it's the combo of Parkinsons and head trauma. I read somewhere that some doctors think Parkinsons can be initiated by head trauma /shrug

    I don't think anyone can come away from the beating that Foreman put on Ali without being changed permanently for the worse.
     
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    But you guys get Frazier's point..
     
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    That Ali was a dick and got what's coming to him? I get that.
     
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    CjR! You probably haven't been keeping up with 24/7, but any thoughts on the upcoming fight for Manny against Margarito? Seems like our boy has a ton of distractions and it's frustrating the heck out of Roach and Ariza.
     
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    X-Bay, sorry bro, but I've been out of the country and missed your post.

    Unfortunately, I have not been able to watch 24/7, but I don't think we have anything to worry about. When it's fight time, Manny is always in shape and all business, so I think he'll be fine. Margarito is not a great defensive fighter and likes to mix it up, so I think Margarito will get taken out in the middle rounds.

    I hear that Cowboys stadium is near a sell-out, so that's great. I'm definitely looking for a great fight and great showing by Manny!

    You guys usually get together big for these fights with all the Filipino food? Man, you gotta invite me sometimes. LOL!
     
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    Yep, it's sold out. That's amazing to hear considering how HUGE that stadium is. I guess people wanna see a real fight put up instead of the crap they've seen from their football team. :lol:

    Haha yeah, I find a family member or family friend and watch the fights. It's a Filipino holiday when Pacquiao is fighting, man. Food all over and the house gets PACKED and LOUD.
     
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    Great fight last night. Margarito nearly had 5 inches in height advantage, nearly 7 inches in reach, and 17 lbs. in weight advantage, which made it pretty much like David vs. Goliath.

    I believe it was the 4th round when Manny first took control and really rocked Margarito and looked as if he was gonna end it in that round, but Margarito somehow survived. Manny also seemed to stop going to the body, but had he not, I really think he could have stopped Margarito because he did not like those body shots. For Manny, that also gave him the best leverage, instead of mainly punching up (to the head) and losing power.

    But Manny just pounded Margarito and turned his face into bloody carne asada. The ref or the trainer actually should have stopped it around the 10th or 11th because Margarito took too many hard punches to the head. Margarito is tough, proud, and resilient, but not at the expense of brain damage.

    Just heard on the news that Margarito was taken to the hospital and now spending a second night with a broken eye socket.

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    Yeah, his corner was dumb for not throwing the towel. I know a man's pride plays a factor to all of this, but is pride worth the risk of permanent damage and possibly ending his career earlier than you'd like? Margarito took a glorified ass beating, but it definitely was not worth it.
     
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    Congrats to all the manny fans, especially the Filipino following he has. I think its awesome. I have a couple filipino coworkers , in the late 50's or early 60's, and they were all geared up for the fight. It brought back memories of my youth when we all used to get up for the Julio Cesar Chavez fights... its a strange electricity at fight time, enjoy it fellas!
     
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    And the truth finally comes out...

    We always knew. They don't call him "Money" Mayweather for no reason. He's all about his money and ONLY his money. That's why he declined a 50-50 split recently. He only cares about his record, the fame, and his money. This is one of many reasons why no one really cares about boxing anymore.
     
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    Ah, and Pacquiao gets KO'd by Marquez. Great fight. But I gave up on Pacman a while ago. Watching him "train" for the Bradley fight, I knew he just didn't care anymore. He built up this stardom and made tons of money. He made $23 million tonight!

    Manny only cares for his politics. Boxing seems like only a side job now like his music and movie career. And what's funny is if he fights Marquez again, he's still going to bring in a ton of money even if he loses.

    I used to love Manny for his passion. That fire doesn't exist anymore, hence why I'm huge on Andre Ward and a lot of these young guns like Canelo, Gamboa, and Broner.
     
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    That fight was worth the money. Way more than any mayweather fight... Manny just got too aggressive. He was starting to dominate the fight, and Marquez couldnt last 6 more rounds with the way his nose was. Marquez got desperate, and he landed a monster shot. The two knockdowns on manny were devastating punches, two of the cleanest shots ive seen in a long time.
     
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    Yeah, it was a war. Manny wasn't kidding when he said he was going for the KO cause he felt he needed it to put this fight to rest. But he got overzealous and Marquez snuck in a right to get out of a corner and it ended up being the KO punch.

    If Pacquiao backs off (1 second left!), he possibly KOs Marquez in the 7th. He had a broken nose & couldn't take any more punishment.
     
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    This. This is exactly why I didn't care too much for the fight. I stopped caring for the simple fact that Manny stopped caring about winning. His work ethic is totally different from when he started and was coming up.
     
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    I don't necessarily agree with that. I didn't see anything in the ring that looked like he was unprepared or undertrained. Sure he has some other responsibilities outside of boxing, but he looked ready physically for the fight. You don't get that if boxing is your side job.

    What he did wrong was all mental in the ring. He got overaggressive because he wanted a definitive victory and he got caught. But anytime a fighter gets older, things are going to change.
     
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    I'm not going by what I saw in the ring... I'm going by what I saw on the 24/7 series' for both this fight and the Bradley fight. Showing up to training late, if at all... Making appearances on shows... basically letting his political side take over the hard working side fans are used to seeing. Like xbay said, he doesn't have that fire anymore. Any competitor wants to win, but Pacquiao used to be the kind of competitor who did whatever it took to win. You could see in his eyes, in past fights, how much he wanted to win. Every match meant something to him, as if he always had something to prove. Then in come the politics, the changing of religions and not believing in violence, and all the hype turned boxing into a JOB for him. "Job"... a word he uses in his interviews now in the past couple of fights... it's not his passion anymore... it's his "job", ie something he does for a check.
     
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    Yeah, just looking at the bigger picture. Manny's seemed out of it for a while now. He really loves his congressman job. It's like Freddy Roach feared prior to the Margarito fight; he felt he was going to lose his fighter with all this politic stuff. That he wasn't going to have him 100% in it. And when you watched the interviews, sure Manny said he was dedicated still, but his body language suggested otherwise.

    I will forever consider Pacman one of boxing's GOAT's despite last Saturday. Lots of haters want to take away from his legacy now cause they finally can talk shit, but there were many legends who at the end of their careers were losing or KO'd.
     
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    I don't know man, i don't think there are a lot of haters taking away from him. I think its a lot of supporters that are turning on him, and this "lost passion" is a cop out because he lost. The Bradley decision was a joke though, i won't even count that as a loss. Sometimes you get caught with good punches. I think it is convenient to say that he lost the fight because he doesn't care, rather than say he got bet.

    I like Manny, he's been great for boxing. The guy is one of the truest warriors the sport has seen, but he got beat, and he got beat because he got careless in the ring, not outside of it.
     
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    I didn't bother watching the fight. Since the dude's been hanging with politicians and gambling Lords, his focus has been suspect.

    At his core, he's still a great boxer. It's just that politics, sports and deep religion don't really mix all that well. I think a bit of that has trickled into his game and he tried to over compensate a bit in this match and got over aggressive.

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    I'd say that it's BOTH; haters are taking away from his legacy AND supporters are turning on him. Obviously there are the bandwagon fans... and then there are haters who are basically Mayweather fans (some of them bandwagon fans as well) who are basically saying there is no point in having a Pacquiao/Mayweather fight anymore. In my opinion, that fight should still happen and would still be good for the sport if it happened. Mostly, to finally put an end to all the trash talk between fans (or spark up more for sequel fights)...

    And yes, Rob, I agree that there are supporters who are turning on Pacquiao. Some Catholics turned on him when he converted, Latino fans turned on him in favor of supporting their cultural representative... and then there are the fans of the sport. Manny still has a whole bunch of fans... but there are fans like me who see him not working his ass off like he used to and that turns me off as a supporter. Granted, all I see are the 24/7 episodes and the interviews on late night talk shows and such... but I'm pretty sure all of Mayweather's recent fights and training have been, step by step, building up to fight Pacquiao, whereas Pacquiao's fights have all just been building up in monetary value.

    Yes, Pacman got caught and lost... and yes, it happens in boxing, even to the best of them and I think he would have won the fight if he just hung in to finish the round... and yes, I agree, I don't count his loss to Bradley a loss... but for ME, his change in work ethic is why I'm not AS big a supporter I once was. I still support him and cheer him on... but his fights haven't been as appealing to me for a while now... not until he fights Mayweather anyway.
     

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