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  1. E-Man

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    OK I was gonna leave it to CjR to start topics in here and start talking about it...but I got a lil too anxious haha.

    So what's up with Mayweather ducking and dodging Manny??? Freakin man up already!
     
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    Last time you can make an argument that Pacquiao ducked Mayweather. This time you can argue Mayweather ducked Pacquiao. Manny agreed, Floyd said he wanted to wait and see what happens to his uncle in court.

    Honestly, I think both sides are ducking each other. You can't clearly point at one guy. Both are stressing out the boxing fans that want this fight. Pacquiao acts like a juicer since he ducked the first time, Mayweather acts like he's scared to lose since he keeps ducking this mega fight. Since Pac finally agreed, I can back off the juicing until testing proves it. I never thought he did anyway. Mayweather seems to care more about his precious record than his money... because if he did "care" about the money and if he did "believe" he's the best of all-time, he would of taken this fight.
     
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    Steriods, uncles whatever. I just want to see these two titans fight it out.
     
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    I don't think Mayweather cares about his record, and I don't think he is ducking Manny, i think he enjoys being in the driver's seat. And he is in the drivers seat here. So he'll play it out , get a couple paydays in there in the meantime and fight Manny whenever the hell he feels like it. That's my opinion anyway.
     
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    Manny agreed to the testing the first time, but he wanted it to be 24 days before the fight, rather than the 14 days that Mayweather wanted. It COULD be argued that Manny was ducking the first time, but it's definitely a valid reason for him wanting it 24 days before instead. I mean Manny already has to go up in weight to fight him and taking blood from him will affect his sugar levels and diet. 24 days would give him ample time get back on track. Now that Manny has agreed to Mayweather's terms all that is pretty much mute.

    Like you said, if Mayweather really is all about the money then he'd take the fight cuz this would EASILY be the biggest fight of the new boxing generation and would make him the most money.

    side note: Mayweather visited a sick kid a few months back as part of the Make a Wish Foundation, because the kid wanted to see his favorite athlete in Mayweather. That was the kids wish... Talking to Mayweather he said "What I want the most is to see you fight Manny Pacquiao." The next day Mayweather made the announcement that he was going to take a "break" and retire from boxing for one or two years.
     
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    That's my point. He ducked the first time. Not saying it's totally his fault, because he has very little control over this fight. Mayweather can do what he wants and he's only going to fight on his OWN terms. Manny and his camp aren't going to kiss up to Floyd and his demands. That's why he "ducked" or a better word... declined the fight.

    Until Mayweather accepts the fight, I'll always think of him as a talented fighter that always kept his mouth running, but could never be considered up there with the best like he says. To say he's up there with best like Muhammed Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson is as equivalent as Monta saying he's the second best player in the NBA.
     
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    Thanks, E-man, but no need to wait for me, bro. I just want to chime in when I get a chance.

    As for this fight, here’s my take on all this. I don’t think Manny ducked Mayweather during the first negotiations. Boxing is a huge mind game. And if you’re the champ and P4P king, you don’t want to be dictated by anyone, especially if it’s not in the rules of the game and with a guy who’s been in retirement, to boot. It gives Floyd a psychological advantage. Same thing with who walks in last in the ring.

    And boxers are very superstitious and highly regimented. If he thinks something will weaken him, it will. That’s why these guys don’t have sex 2 or 3 months before a fight.

    Now with this latest deal, there’s no question in my mind that Floyd is ducking. In fact, I never really thought he wanted the fight in the first place. Unlike Manny, he never agreed to a date before, and he never agreed to a date this time, if terms were settled. This leads me to believe he was all talk and just posturing. Again, Floyd has been interviewed by Larry Merchant and said he would rather die than lose. All his talk of being the best ever always points to his undefeated record. That’s all he has, and this was the main reason he retired undefeated having never beaten other champions. FYI: the only fighter ever to retire undefeated was Rocky Marciano.
     
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    Really? 2-3 months? Wow. Didn't think it's that harmful.
     
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    It depends on the fighter and what he thinks. Again, this is highly mental mutiplied by superstition to the 10th power. Most fighters begin training at 6-8 weeks before a fight—and some 12 weeks, depending on their condition or the trainer's decision.
    But once you’re in training mode, the rule is to not have sex. It's believed to be bad. It’s probably not harmful, but it’s an old belief that many fighters live by in trying to build up high amounts of energy.

    Just think of not having sex for months or a year. I'd probably do some seriously rough sex the first time. :rock: :mrgreen:
     
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    Do they still whack it and just avoid the punani?
     
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    Probably, LOL. But maybe not too close to the fight, otherwise your body MIGHT be a little weakened in working harder to replace the wad of protein you’ve been shooting off. :mrgreen: LOL.
     
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    Mayweather still talking... but this time, adding a "little" of some racism here and there. Sigh...

    If anyone wants to watch the entire 4 minute, 20 second video, be my guest. But IMO, it's not worth the time to load the entire video and watch it. I cut it off after about 20-25 seconds. Like Pacquiao's camp said... the video speaks for itself.
     
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    I'm not going to watch it, sounds pretty classless. But if he's being racist towards filipino's, maybe manutesampson is actually Mayweather.
     
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    :lol: Good one.

    He had his moments where he was racist towards Filipinos with the whole eating of cats and dogs. Honestly, I don't find that racist... unless you use in a certain context... which he did, and that was pretty sad. I know Ali talked a lot as well, but did he ever pull up the race card on his opponents? A lot of his top opponents were African American already.
     
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    Umm, VERY much so. Ali was viscious in his racist remarks towards Frazier. Calling him a gorilla and many times calling him an Uncle Tom. Most of Ali's remarks were charged with racism.

    But I dont take anything prize fighters seriously. they for the most part are salesman and showmen trying to build up hype for a fight. I have not heard Mayweathers remarks though but I think it would be difficult to be more viscious than Ali was to Frazier.
     
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    Ali was a dick, especially to Frazier, and as Bada mentions he used a lot of racial slurs.

    When I was younger I used to watch a lot of boxing matches with my dad. I was an Ali fan, but I didn't realize until I was a little older that I was an Ali fan because of all the Ali hype. The hype worked on me.

    As I started to understand more about boxing, and hype, I became a George Foreman fan. Was Big George hyped? Yep, but often as a villian, which he was in his youth.

    If anyone is interested, look into the Rumble in the Jungle, the fight between Foreman and Ali. Foreman claimed that there was some kind of substance on Ali's gloves that blinded him. I'm watched that fight many, many times. Ali supporters claim Ali's rope-a-dope strategy wore Foreman out. Ridiculous! Ali was getting killed, and you could see Ali pawing at Foreman's face with "jabs" that looked less like jabs than rubs.

    Like I said, Ali was a dick.
     
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    There's boxing hype and there's crossing the line. Ali crossed the line by a mile with his constant and deeply ill-intended namecalling of Joe Frazier, a bada mentioned. I remember seeing an HBO documentatry years ago which detailed all of this. There was a time that Ali struggled and Frazier would give him money just so he can eat and survive. Then, Frazier even gave Ali a chance to fight him to earn a big purse. All this then Ali just turned on Joe viciously when it was announced that Frazier would give him a shot at his title. And Ali was just relentless with his insults during their rematches after that.

    Frazier was a class guy all the way and was naturally a kind person. But what Ali did was unforgivable--and this is why Joe Frazier could never forgive him.

    On another note, how about C.J. Watson's name being involved in the Mayweather wife-beating incident, huh? I could be wrong, but I really can't see it with C.J. It's possible Floyd's girlfriend used C.J's name to piss off Mayweather to get away and collect. But not before chicken Floyd roughed her up.
     
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    Yeah, I saw that. Really good documentary. Wish I was around when Frazier fought... the man seemed like a class act. He did a lot, and was very grateful... Ali always kept running his mouth. When they got to the Thrilla in Manila, everything Ali said was brutal. I was pretty disgusted. I think Frazier said something along the lines in that he believed Ali is the way he is now because of karma. Of course, boxing does put you in that position with all the head trauma, but Frazier really believed that the way Ali ran his mouth was the reason Ali barely does it today.
     
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    I think Ali is the way he is because he used the rope-a-dope with Foreman. He some serious damage in that fight.
     
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    I think Ali is the way he is because he has Parkinsons
     

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