Oakland Raiders Thread

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  1. MadBallers

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    I hope u are wrong. I love Gruden and most other Raiders fans feel the same way. I think we can give him more than one game before burying him.
     
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    It seemed like the defense was fired up in the first half. The offense stalled and kinda killed the momentum. The Rams were able to wear that D out after that. I don't think Gruden has lost them. But they should put this Mack thing to bed already. No reason to discuss it further.
     
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    I think he just shouldn't have said a word. "Yes, he left because we believe we're not ready to compete yet and need the picks and cap room for other guys. He's great, but we think the Raiders will be better long term this way if we make good moves with those picks and that cap space."

    And that's it. The story ends there. Assume that you didn't want to pay him and that he left because of that, and put the story to bed. That's what I think they should do.
     
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    Wtf are the Cowboys doing? This time, I gotta give it to the Raiders. Cooper for a 1st round pick is a great deal for Oakland, a team that's going nowhere after the Mack deal and that now has three first rounders in next year's draft and two more in 2020. If you're going to rebuild, it's a great position. They need to hit on those picks, tho, because they haven't been drafting too well.

    Nevertheless, it's a great trade for the Raiders. Don't really get it for Dallas. They needed a #1 WR for Dak and Cooper has plenty of potential and is still young. But a 1st rounder is way too much.
     
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    Agree TMC. Great deal for the Raiders. I get why the Cowboys would want Cooper however who in the heck were they bidding against? Seem like they could have gotten him for a 2nd rounder if not a 3rd.
     
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    I think the Raiders played them, and they were bidding against themselves. It's been reported that several teams contacted the Raiders about Cooper, but nobody was close to that first round pick. They probably made the Cowboys believe they weren't getting him if a first rounder weren't involved.
     
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    I do love this deal, but now Cooper will probably turn into an all pro, and the Raiders will draft another bust with the 1st rounder.

    As you guy's can understand, I am a bit cynical of the team. Once Gruden fires Reggie, he better hire someone who knows what they are doing, to help him with these picks.
     
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    I think the fans and players were just a bit delusional as to the plan Gruden had when he got hired. There was this fantasy of winning for Oakland, but there's not damn winning for Oakland. Its rebuild this team to make it a viable franchise in Vegas.
     
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    Sad. all around.
     
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    This is true Rob, but Marc Davis sold us on a bunch of BS.

    Also, I would argue that most fans are delusional about their sports teams. Many more teams lose than win, and it's the only way to survive..lol
     
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    oh i agree.. 100%. We want to believe in the purity of it all.. but sometimes that's just not the case. We are all Warrior fans, we have been sold as much BS in our lifetimes as anybody else!
     
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    Well, one thing I wasn't expecting, and I doubt many people were, is how Amari Cooper has saved the Cowboys season. It was a good deal for Oakland, but certainly seems much more even now.

    That's from the Cowboys side. Going back to Oakland, I'm not sure a Raiders fan should be feeling too happy, considering how well Cooper and Mack are playing elsewhere. Cooper is turning around the Cowboys season and leading them to the playoffs and Mack is the main cog in the most intimidating defense in football. You have a ton of high picks to show for them, but I'm not sure the Raiders are a better franchise because of those trades, not even long term.

    What do you think, Madballers? What's your take on Gruden's deconstruction of the Raiders with the trades in hindsight?
     
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    Obviously, we will know in the next 1-4 years if these trades end up being good for the Raiders. When they traded Mack, I tried rationalizing the deal, b/c I was disturbed by the move and didn't really know how to react. This was a bad trade! I had a feeling Cooper would blow up with the Cowboy's, but I still like the trade. He runs too hot and cold, and will not be worth the mega deal he will sign with the Cowboy's.
     
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    Interesting GM hire with Mayock.
     
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    I really like this hire! It is obvious that Mayock loves football and is a tireless studier of NFL talent, both college and pros.
     
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    I like Mayock. Not sure about the GM position, but he knows what he talks about. In terms of evaluating talent, Mayock is a really good hire, at least on paper. And, let's be honest here, it's Gruden running the show.
     
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    So Antonio Brown is heading to the Raiders for a 3rd and a 5th. Wow. I think it's a GREAT deal for Oakland, as now Carr will have an explosive deep threat and a guy that can dominate games on the receiving end. I just think they're going to need to speed up the rebuilding, because if AB is unhappy, it won't be pretty...

    As for the Steelers, considering the amount of talent AB has and how much dead money he leaves on their books, I thought they would get at least a second. It's somewhat surprising they didn't even get that.

    So, on paper, great deal for Oakland!
     
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    I love this deal! They also restructured his contract...3 years $54 mil ($30 mil guaranteed).

    Good point TMC about AB's happiness. He is use to making the playoffs every year. The rebuild could happen quickly IF they hit on all (most) of their draft picks.
     
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    Actually $50 mil over 3 years, incentives can push it to $54 mil. $30 mil guaranteed.

    AB's attitude is a concern for certain. I do not like the way he quit on the team and acted the fool during this whole ordeal. However, until this season, I never heard anything bad about the guy. He will most likely be a HOF player, and is still the #1 WR in the NFL.
     

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