Oakland Raiders Thread

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    As there is no salary cap for coaches, I guess I dont really care how much he has to pay to get his guy. Now whether it is the right guy remains to be seen in my mind.
     
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    Well, when you consider that he is not getting an ownership stake, it potentially factors out to what he would have made if he was granted a percentage. Plus, I imagine the Bucs were offering a couple million less per year for a few less years. Mark Davis was NOT going to let anyone outbid him for Gruden’s services.
     
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    Yeah, rumor is the Bucs were not willing to go that far in negotiations. Which is interesting, because they really wanted to bring Gruden back but decided to keep Koetter once Gruden wasn't going to sign. Seems clear that they don't trust Koetter that much, but didn't want to give a chance to an unproven guy. Not a great way to show confidence in the team's future.

    I like the signing and it's true it doesn't matter against the cap because there isn't one. It's just Davis' money. But such a huge contract is a big deterrent to me. And it's the time what I really don't get, I don't really care about the money. But 10 years? What happens if it doesn't go as expected? What happens if, for whatever reason, the Raiders have two or three bad seasons under Gruden and the players want to leave? Can a coach be fired with 7 or 8 years left on his deal? (obviously, yes, but it's something that's not likely to happen, just due to the amount of money left on that deal).

    I mean, a five-year deal would be different, but 10? 10 is crazy for a coach who hasn't won that much. I could understand if the Pats had signed Belichick to a ten-year deal, but I don't think there's another coach in the NFL that deserves that kind of contract.
     
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    I agree with you TMC about the 10 year thing. I have no issues with $10m per year but it is very doubtful he makes it a full 10 years. Seems like they will be at big risk for eating several years
     
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    The argument against those statements is that they needed him to be able to really sell PSLs in Vegas.

    And I would rebuttal with the fact that his contract runs all the way to 2028... 8 years into the Raiders’ Las Vegas residency. What Mark Davis ensured to Gruden was financial security for him and his family no matter how his tenure plays out.

    “We really want you here for a ten year project. We’re offering $100m over that timeline. However, if things don’t work out and we opt to move on in Year 5, it’s okay because we will pay you out the rest of the $50m.” Find an owner who will tell his employees that. Those don’t exist... until yesterday.
     
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    Exactly. It's guaranteed money for Gruden. And he probably was only going to come back to such a huge deal. But the 10 years part is completely crazy. They probably could have signed him to a five year deal for more money per season and it wouldn't be such a strange move.
     
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    Mark Davis obviously has so much respect and belief in Jon Gruden and his potential to make the Raiders relevant for the next 10 years. I love it! A lot of work to be done for sure but I believe Gruden is the right guy for this job. If the Warriors signed Steve Kerr to a 10 years contract, I don't think anyone on this board would have an issue about that. Now, I am not saying Gruden is in the same league as coach Kerr, but I think it is very possible he can get there.
     
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    At this point and after two rings? We could sign Kerr to a 30-year deal and nobody would say a word.

    But Gruden hasn't won anything (I'm talking rings, of course he was successful with them, just didn't manage to win any hardware) with the Raiders, and did it with the Bucs relying heavily on a historically great defense that Dungy and Monte Kiffin built. There's a difference.
     
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    I believe if Al hadn't let his ego get in the way, Gruden would have won a Super Bowl with the Raiders.
     
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    Totally agree. I was puzzled when they let him go
     
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    i agree, if we signed Kerr to a 10 year contract after Mark Jackson was fired.. we would have all went nuts. I do think Gruden was successful.. Who knows how far they would have gone if it wasn't for the tuck rule. On top of that, the team he built went to the super bowl and lost to the team he took over. I think his credentials are there, its just a matter of putting together the right team now.
     
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    Yep, you guys need a ton of help on defense, particularly at LB and the defensive line. But this team, with better coaching and a revamped defense, is ready to be a contender. If Gruden was only going to come back for the Bucs or Raiders, it's not surprising he decided that Oakland/Vegas was the best spot.
     
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    This is one of the best days of my life...love coach Gruden! Go Raiders!!!
     
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    Chucky is back! correct me if I'm wrong... but, he was coach the last time they were relevant?

    I remember wondering WTF were the Raiders doing letting him go after one of their best stretches in years.
     
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    Exciting for the Raiders. I really dont like the 10 year contract thing... I mean a guys as intense as Gruden never last that long in one spot... teams get this big boost early but after awhile they burn out on that sort of intensity and tune out. But for now, this is a great move by the Raiders and should serve them well for the next 5 years.
     
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    I have a feeling that he will remain with the organization after he's out of coaching. Maybe that's where he will get some ownership in the team. So whether he lasts 10 years or not may be irrelevant.
     
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    That is a good point Rob. Yeah, I just dont seem him on the sidelines for 10 years, but certainly staying with the organization in some capacity after coaching...I can certainly see that.
     
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    They got a ton of draft picks for him and even made the SB the next year. Probably thought they'd be able to replace him with Callahan, but that didn't work out too well...

    Then again, if they had played any other team in the SB, maybe the Raiders would have one more ring right now, and everything would look different.
     
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    Maybe a similar situation as the rumored New England deal... who was the reason for the Raiders coming back? Was it Gruden or Al Davis? Maybe Davis thought with the draft picks he could show that the machine can keep rolling.. It doesn't seem like Gruden ever wanted to leave.
     
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    He's said Al Davis and him didn't see eye to eye, so he wasn't particularly happy with the Raiders back in the day and was happy when he was "traded" to Tampa.

    But he loved the Raiders back in the day, seems like it was only an issue with Al, and that's not a problem anymore.
     

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