Discussion in 'Know Your Enemy' started by bada, Jun 20, 2017.
So, the word is that LeDouche will not return to Cleveland after this season.
If this is the case, do you trade him now?
AND... maybe they can keep Kyrie. If I'm the GM, and I know LeBron is gone, I try to convince Kyrie to want to stay, and I trade LeBron... for nearly anything I want... or for whatever the Lakers can offer... since that is where LeBron is likely to go.
I believe he has a no trade clause, so that would be difficult to pull off. If he wanted to give back to Cleveland, he'd allow it, but if he wants his new team to be at maximum capability, he wouldn't. If he didn't have a no trade clause, it'd be a no brainer to me. You could get a good haul for Lebron, even with the expiring contract.
Rob, it seems like LeBron would opt out of his no trade clause as long as he got to go where he wanted.
Also... there is a meme going around saying Vegas gives the Warriors the highest odds of getting LeBron if he is traded
I disagree, i think he wants to do things on his terms, and he would look at being traded as moving on on Clevelands terms.
Who cares what Lebron thinks. His team is imploding because no one is having fun and fear is not the same as respect. I love that his "reign" is waning
And that the next king is a 6'2 185lbs GS Warrior!!!
Also, the Lakers shouldn't trade for him right now, because there's not enough talent in their roster. The Cavs would ask for Ball or Ingram, and those two are the keys of LAL future. If they move them, the Lakers suck and a disgruntled Lebron move to the Clippers (or any other team, but let's just assume the Clippers) next season...
It's tricky for Cleveland. Do they keep Kyrie or Lebron? What can they expect to get for them if they're not willing to commit to an extension with the team that trades for them? I think the best they can do is bring both back and see what happens during the season. If anything, make a deal close to the deadline, after playing some teams against each other in order to increase the prize tag.
Kyrie to the Celtics for Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Zizic and the Nets 2018 1st round pick.
So Cleveland suddenly has ZERO perimeter defenders (outside Shumpert I suppose) with an already vulnerable interior D. And Boston upgrades a tad, I guess.
Smart move by Boston imo. They are in a good position to trade quantity for quality. We may be seeing Boston in next year's finals.
Wow. Can't believe the Cavs traded Kyrie to their most direct rival in the conference. It's not a bad deal for him, but... I don't know, I like Kyrie's offense, but I don't think he adds that much to the Celtics roster. They already had Thomas, who is also a great scorer, Crowder does a lot of different things in the court to help your team win...
Guess the Celtics improved slightly, and it's true they're stacked in the wings. As for Cleveland, that Nets pick is going to be huge to rebuild as soon as Thomas and Lebron leave after next year (because if Lebron leaves, Isiah will go as well)...
Kinda feel bad for Isiah, as he had become the face of the Celtics and was really beloved there. But we all know the NBA is a business, particularly if Danny Ainge is calling the shots on one side.
Boston definitely gave up a lot, especially throwing in that 1st round pick. The trade evens out if the Nets are outside of the top 3 or 5 in terms of draft position. It will be interesting to see that battle in the east now. Would love to see Kyrie stick it to Cleveland. Not that it matters much, whoever comes out on top will get demolished in the finals.
Yeah, it's not a bad deal for Boston, although pending on draft position, it might have been too much. But it's the only way they could have gotten Kyrie, so even if the price is steep, it's understandable they pulled the trigger.
I think Brooklyn will have a better season, in part because they've improved, in part because the east sucks, but it's a lottery and the Nets pick will be there, so it's a matter of waiting and see what happens with the pick.
A few minor deals over the last couple of weeks:
- Ginobili is back with the Spurs. 2 years deal, and he'll be 42 if he plays both seasons. Amazing career he's going to have. A pity the Spurs don't look competitive enough to win another ring this next two years.
- K.J. McDaniels signs with Toronto. Always thought he's better than he's proven so far, but the situation is getting a bit crowded in Toronto with DeRozan, Powell, CJ Miles... Not sure it's the best situation for him.
- Nerlens Noel is also back in Dallas, on a one-year deal. Kinda weird the lack of interest in him during this summer... Guess it's what happens when you're a restricted free agent and your offense is a work in progress (to be kind).
reportedly passed on a 70 mill offer lol
(i believe he's since fired his agent)
Knicks traded Melo to the Thunder for Enes Kanter, Doug McDermott and a 2nd round pick.
Not sure how that will fit shot and even ball distribution wise, but hey just like that, OKC is going all in on 2017-18.
Westbrook | Roberson | George | Anthony | Adams
Interesting. Mello is not a game changer anywhere he goes. But the 3rd option on offense is probably a good fit for him
I agree. Melo still has some impressive offensive skills. However... you now have three players on the same team that aren't big on passing when they get the ball. I think we will see a lot of isolation basketball in OKC this season.
And it's most likely a one-year experiment. OKC's salaries are going through the roof if they try to keep all three. And if things don't go well, George is likely moving to LA.
In any case, OKC is a legit contender now. They don't have much of a bench and shooting is not the greatest skill of that team, but they're a lot more dangerous, as they've added another capable scorer while losing only two guys they barely could use in the playoffs because they couldn't guard anyone. It's a savvy move. And one that puts them slightly ahead of the Rockets as contender, imho.
One caveat, tho... If KD didn't like playing for Donovan, neither will Melo. In fact, it might be even worse. Unless so many years of losing has softened him...
Best part of having so many great teams in the west is that it doesn't matter that much. We still have to beat just three of them. The playoffs are getting tougher as a whole, but most of these teams will have to beat each other. If everything goes as expected, we'll have to beat the 8th seed and two good teams to reach the finals. So you can argue not much has changed for us. It's not looking good for a team like the Spurs that hasn't been able to improve its roster this offseason, tho...
If I had to rank 'em:
MIN, DEN, NOLA, POR, UTA & MEM fighting for 5-8
I'd put MIN, DEN & POR as the teams I'd be surprised not to make it.
Big season for Karl-Anthony Towns & Andrew Wiggins to take a leap with Jimmy Butler aboard now for the Timberwolves. If they don't qualify for past mid-April, Tom Thibodeau has to be on the hot seat.
Paul Millsap definitely helps DEN in a big way as Nikola Jokic & Millsap will be a terror offensively in the paint, but their interior defense is going to be fun for opposing offenses to attack.
And the Trail Blazers with a healthy Jusuf Nurkic helps Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum a lot. They don't have much scoring off the bench, though. And with Allen Crabbe gone, so goes any perimeter threat outside of their starters.
For the teams I'm just not so sure about...
I just can't understand the Pelicans, yet. Not because of DeMarcus Cousins and Anthony Davis' uncertain chemistry; I have no doubt they'll figure out a capable style to involve both. Especially after hiring away Denver's guy who worked with Jokic & Nurkic. But everything else plus that bench, ooooowee. Solomon Hill & Dante Cunningham are nice role players, but they're going to be relying on Jrue Holiday & Rajon freakin' Rondo outside of DMC & AD.
The Jazz are still good minus Gordon Hayward plus Ricky Rubio. It just will depend on not only Rudy Gobert's growth, but Rodney Hood's. He's a unique talent; one where I don't see him as a star, but I don't see him as some mid-card talent. He can be really good. Someone you'd consider as an all-star reserve one day, maybe.
I always expect the Grizzlies to stick around. Still have Marc Gasol & Mike Conley. Plus, if they can retain JaMychal Green, which seems headed that way, they'll be always be the fly on the wall.
The next tier below those teams would be the Clippers and Mavericks. Losing Chris Paul will be a huge drop off and very difficult task to overcome in a year. And unless the Mavs overachieve, Nerlens Noel-Harrison Barnes-Wes Matthews-Dennis Smith Jr/Yogi Ferrell will not be enough for an 8th seed.
Phoenix is still very young. The Lakers... I think they'll do better than whatever is currently expected of them. Maybe even better than the Clippers. I agree with Magic Johnson... Lonzo Ball is going to be special for them. His court vision is going to impact guys like Brook Lopez, Julius Randle & Larry Nance Jr big time. They'll take a leap for this season, just not to the 8th seed.
NOLA is the hardest one to figure out.
The deal for Cousins was great for them. They have Cousins and Davis inside, and a very good PG in Jrue (overpaid, true, but still an above average NBA PG). Solomon Hill (injured) is a great glue guy, but where are the shooters? Because that kind of team needs shooters like we all need air to live. Ian Clark, E'Twan Moore and Jordan Crawford are the answers? Certainly doesn't look like it. And adding Rondo to that kind of team reeks not only of desperation, but very poor team building strategy. Seems like a completely unbalanced roster, and that rarely works, particularly when the lack of balance comes from the lack of shooters. There are not the 90's...
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