NBA 2017 Offseason Movement Thread

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  1. TMC

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    - Rondo signs a one-year deal with the Pelicans. In paper, it should be to be their backup PG (and what happens with Frank Jackson, then?), because if they plan on playing Holiday and Rondo together as their starting backcourt, they're in deep trouble. That team still has huge holes at SG and SF, particularly when it comes to outside shooting, so they better don't stop signing people or trading guys.

    Having Cousins and Davis inside can be great, but you need guys that can score from outside surrounding them.
     
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    Cousins and Rondo... two complete shitheads on the same team again. Good luck Pels!
     
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    A few interesting pieces of news today:

    - Udonis Haslem signs a one-year, $2.3 million deal to be back with the Heat. That's not important because he's going to be a relevant player, but because it shows Miami takes care of its own. 15 seasons and counting, what a remarkable career he's had...

    - Pau Gasols is back with the Spurs. 3-years, the last one partially guaranteed... no news on the amount on the money yet.

    - Kyrie Irving asks the Cavs to trade him. What?!?!?! Yeah, exactly... Apparently, he doesn't want to be in Lebron's shadow any longer. Which is a reason as stupid as possible, unless he wants to be the man for a non-playoff team. He wants to join the Spurs, Knicks, Heat or TWolves.

    As proof of what happens when Kyrie is the top player of his team's offense, he only has to remember the years before Lebron went back to Cleveland. That's what's going to happen if he's the man again.
     
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    Just read about the Kyrie trade request. Crazy, but if you're going to trade for him, you better have a defensive system in place that will allow his scoring to be utilized properly.
     
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    So it seems like the Warriors may have truly dismantled that Cleveland team haha..I love it.
     
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    - John Wall signs a 4-year (starting in 2019 and the last one is a player option), $170 million extension with the Wizards. Great deal for him and Washington, and one that keeps him as the man in DC. The Wizards have now a ton of money on him, Beal and Porter, a backcourt that's only behind ours in the whole NBA, and will need to find a way to shore up their inside guys and bench. They're already a contender in the east, but they seem to be missing a step yet...

    I've always liked the Wizards (or Bullets back then), tho. They're a sort of Warriors East, a team that was really good back in the day, that has had great success and stars in the past, but whose best years are way back. They seemed to be ready to be a force when they traded for Webber and it failed. They seemed to be ready to take that next step when they signed Arenas, and failed. So here's hoping this time it works and they have more consistent success than they've had in the last few decades.
     
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    A rumor... the Cavs tried to trade Kyrie for Klay. Let's just say I'm glad TMC isn't making the call on this one ;)
     
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    Kyrie Irving is just looking ahead. He does not want to stick around with a franchise where:

    1) LeBron has not committed long term (while it's been rumors galore with his camp flirting with potential destinations; his agent was having a "casual" talk with the Lakers).

    2) it's owner Dan Gilbert has shown an inability to create a safe environment to work in. It doesn't matter where you stand in his pyramid, your behind can be toasted at any time. There's no camaraderie. No one works together. Mike Brown and Dan Gilbert are prime examples of guys who got canned without hesitation. And let's not mention that letter Gilbert wrote about LeBron.

    So why play good fellow and commit to a franchise? After all, LeBron is never going to commit more than two years to any organization from here on out. He is leading the pack with these 1+1 deals. He knows where the money is. He understands there is leverage. Kyrie isn't necessarily on the same tier as the man, but he understands the business side of it. And he is not going to get stuck in Cleveland playing yes man to Dan Gilbert's ownership and dare I say, lack of leadership.

    There is a reason why guys like Curry, Harden, Westbrook, etc. committed to their respective franchises... and it's because they aren't ran like the Cavaliers are.
     
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    Everything is going the worst possible way for the Cavs since they decided to ditch Griffin... The Dan Gilbert Wild Ride (TM) got one ring for the city of Cleveland, but after this seen they might be stuck with Kevin Love and a bunch of contracts nobody wants.
     
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    Cavaliers fans and their history can gloat all they want about the players staging a 3-1 comeback against the "historic" 73-win Warriors... but that franchise put all their eggs in one basket for one trophy and it's coming back to bite them hard. If that's what they set out to do, that's great... but this league is about creating success through longevity and endurance. And they're potentially about to lose two of their best players in less than a year from now.
     
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    I think they did alright. Considering how hard it is to win a title, they got one to the city of Cleveland, and beating a team they weren't expected to beat. It would have been dramatic if Lebron hadn't been able to win a ring in his second Cavs tenure.

    This way, you can always say it couldda been better, but at least they can say they won a title. Plenty of great teams can't say that (Drexler's Blazers, Stockton & Malone's Jazz, the Payton & Kemp's Sonics, Ewing's Knicks, Mourning & Hardaway's Heat...).
     
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    Ageed... well said TMC.
     
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    - Derrick Rose has a new home... Cleveland. What it really makes this deal remarkable is that he only got a one-year deal for the vet's minimum. He's not the MVP caliber player he once was, and never will be again, but he's played well enough in NY last season that this deal seems weird, particularly because LA and Milwaukee offered him more money and years.

    So it's probably a one-year "prove it" deal, a chance to play an important role for a contender, and if that happens and injuries don't kill his season again, he's going to be in a much better spot next year to sign a long-term deal. But, so far, it's a huge bargain for Cleveland, and one that, kind of, allows them to trade Kyrie with more of an open mind knowing they already have a starting caliber PG on the roster.
     
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    I heard they were going cut Nicholson...just a Crabbe salary dump.
     
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    Yep, mostly in order to have room to sign Nurkic to an extension, which is something they really have to do.

    Also, Afflalo is back with the Magic, having signed a one-year, $2.3 million deal. Good for depth and probably a good signing in order to teach a few things to their young guys.
     
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    Apparently, the Spurs, Knicks, Heat, Suns Clippers and TWolves have made offers to the Cavs for Kyrie. Around 15 more teams have asked about his status and what it'd take to trade or him.

    So far, Altman is playing the waiting game, and trying to play teams against each other in order to increase the price tag, while saying they might keep Kyrie for one more year and deal with the situation after next season. Lies, albeit necessary lies.

    They want to get a combination of young guys and vets that can allow them to compete while keeping some good pieces just in case Lebron decides to leave next year, and that won't be easy to get.

    Keep an eye on the Knicks, tho. Carmelo, Ntilikina and the Knicks receiving a bad contract on the Cavs roster might just be enough... (and that's if they're not willing to trade Porzingis, which they shouldn't, but as we're talking about the Knicks, you never know...) The Heat proposal seems to involve Dragic and Winslow, which doesn't look like enough... no word on other team's proposals, but seems the offers and what the Cavs want are far apart at this point.
     
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    - Ramon Sessions signs with the Knicks, one year for the vet's minimum. Interesting deal, because I don't think it's just for depth.
     
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    damn, that ruins the chances of the perfect Cavalier off season.
    Lebron
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