How About an NFC South thread?

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  1. TMC

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    Ok, one more Bucs defeat, this was somewhat expected because KC is still KC.

    Let's start with the good thing and then we can go back to the game: the Bye week is coming. And we've got 4 winnable games to end the regular season. Vs Minny, at Atlanta, at Detroit, vs Atlanta. We win all four and we make the playoffs with 11 wins. Those teams a combined 13-20. We should win at least 3 of those games, and that should be enough to secure playoff football in Tampa.

    With that said, the Saints are winning the NFC South. They're not going to collapse at this point.

    Now, onto the game:

    - Mahomes to Hill won the game. We just couldn't stop them. They dismantled our secondary like nobody had done this season. Also, we dig ourselves a big hole in the first quarter, and you can forget about winning vs the current SB champions if you start the second quarter losing 17-0.

    - The defense entered the game in the second quarter. It was too late. They weren't that bad the rest of the way, but the damage was already done. Hill had 200 yards and a pair of TDs by the end of the first quarter.

    - The offense didn't want to disappoint their teammates and started the game with three consecutive three-and-outs. Obviously, that helped the Chiefs immensely.

    - We were better the rest of the game, but the Chiefs also had another 75-yards drive that ended in Hill's third TD. And we decided it wasn't enough and helped them with two more turnovers by Brady. Gotta admit our defense did a good job the second part of the game, but KC was just trying to ice the game, and they did so thanks, in part, to our own mistakes.

    - As for more positives, the O-Line did a good job, mostly. And as far as individual achievements, Gronk, RoJo, and Godwin were good. Evans had two more TDs, although he was targeted 9 times for just 3 catches. On defense, the usual suspects played a good game (White, David, JPP, Barrett...) from the second quarter. That's not enough.


    So... this team is missing Vita Vea A LOT. Not saying we would have won the game with him, or that the defense would have been much better in the first quarter. But we've missed guys with injuries all season long, and Vea is the one we're missing the most. I said we weren't a contender the day Vea's injury was considered season ending. And that's what it looks like.
     
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    Alright, so the Bucs have played, and won, again. The game vs the Vikings had massive playoff implications and had become a must-win. Let's see what happened:

    - Our first quarter was awful. Had only one offensive possession, Brady looked out of rhythm. The defense did a decent job, and that allowed us to remain in the game long enough for the offense to settle in and take over.

    - Brady used 8 different receivers and finished with 2 TDs, no INTs and 196 yards. Not a performance for the years, but pretty effective once he got going. On the receiving end, Antonio Brown was very good on third downs.

    - RoJo had "only" 80 yards, but those were some of the hardest-fought yards of the season. Also added 1 TD. Very happy with his performance.

    - The O-Line did a good job, as they didn't allow a single sack.

    - The defense was pretty uneven. Allowed some big plays, and also a few drives in which Minny moved the ball well. At the same time, the defense made a lot of big plays in key moments.

    - Particularly, Suh, Barrett, JPP and our rookie safety, Antoine Winfield Jr., made a ton of big plays.

    - Succop missed one XP, but hit all his FGs. That was key, as Minny missed an XP and three FGs. We would have been talking about a different outcome in case Bailey had hit those.

    The Bucs head to Atlanta next week, with an 8-5 record. We're 8-5 and have games at Atlanta and Detroit and finish the season at home vs Atlanta. So 11 wins is possible, 10 wins kinda likely. That should be enough for playoff football coming back to Tampa.
     
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    Huge comeback win by the Bucs yesterday, almost guaranteeing that the Bucs will finally be in the playoffs 13 years after their last game!!

    Let's talk about the game, a game that everybody expected to be much easier but that Atlanta almost won:

    - Our first-half offense was awful, the worst we've played in the whole season. Just 80 yards (part of it due to RoJo being out of the game), the Falcons got to Brady easily (also, Donovan Smith was out, and we do not have enough depth in the O-line), couldn't run, the passing game only made a couple of plays. It was awful.

    - Our first-half defense wasn't that bad, but they were on the field all the time, due to the offense not getting anywhere. Still, we didn't really get to Ryan and our red-zone defense was bad, allowing easy TDs to Atlanta, although Carlton Davis made a huge play to save a third TD by the end of the second quarter. But the defense wasn't the reason we were down 17-0 after two quarters.

    - The second-half was a completely different story. Brady and the passing game were great, Fournette woke up and, while he only had one big play, he was effective in short downs and the red zone and scored two TDs. The o-line did a better job blocking. And Mike Evans (finally looked healthy!) and Antonio Brown had a good game (not so much Godwin, who, despite his TD, was almost invisible. I think he's still somewhat injured, because he wasn't able to get much separation).

    - On defense, the Bucs were, as always, stout vs the running game, but Calvin Ridley had a great game, and it could have been better if Carlton Davis and Winfield hadn't made big plays to save two TDs. Also, Devin White was a MONSTER and secured the win almost by himself with a huge 3-sack last quarter, finishing the game with 12 tackles, four tackles for loss (3 sacks) and 2 passes defended. What a change has been this season, because we're #2 in the whole NFL in sacks.

    We've got a game at Detroit and at the RayJay vs Atlanta, both winnable games, which would give us 11 wins in the season. Then the real season starts!
     
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    And I'm back, and the Bucs are in the playoffs again, 13 years have passed since the last time! And we did it in style, routing Detroit like never before.

    Then again, Detroit wasn't even interested in playing, so it's not like we defeated KC or any other contender. But the offense put on a show, and we really needed that. The defense was good, the offense was tremendous, only Succop had a pitiful day, but he has been great for the rest of the year, so here's hoping it was just a bad day at the office.

    Mike Evans is within range of his 7th consecutive season over 100 yards and already has 13 TDs in the season. The main objective of the last game of the season should be increasing those numbers, and, above all, be as healthy as possible for the playoffs.
     
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    We're finally back in the playoffs!!!! 11 wins should be considered a more than successful season for the Brady Bucs, and now the real fun starts.

    And it gets even better, because I couldn't have chosen a better rival than the Washington Football Team (ugh) for our wildcard game (let me start by saying we were better off without playoff expansion, btw).

    On the bad side, Mike Evans (who earlier in the day set the new record for consecutive 1000 yards seasons to start a career) got injured, although MRI showed no signs of structural damage and will be a game-time decision for the game. Still, with Godwin and Brown healthy, he might as well take next week to rest and recover.

    Washington has a very nice little defense, but the game shouldn't even be close. That offense shouldn't be able to keep up with ours.

    As for yesterday's game, we rested some guys on defense and still put on a show on offense. I kinda feel bad for Matt Ryan, because he went to work as always, but not all Falcons were as interested in the game as he was. Good to have RoJo finally back and running well. Great game by our WRs (except for Evans' injury trying to catch a TD pass, that is). Great game by Brady again (40 TDs in the season to just 12 INTs makes all the difference in the world for this team).

    I know some of our coaches will be considered for HC spots (Bowles and Leftwich). I wouldn't mind someone taking a flyer on Leftwich, he can be replaced, but I'd rather keep Bowles. The defense has really developed in his two seasons in Tampa, and he had to coach this year without a force like Vea in the middle for most of the season and with several more injuries to key guys and young kids like Winfield having to play an awful lot of snaps (and playing well, mostly). So, please, don't sign Bowles for another HC gig. Not this year, at least.

    So here's hoping we don't f*ck up now that real football starts. The playoffs are a different animal and you can't afford any mistakes. Washington is the best rival we could hope for, now let's prove we're the better team, because talking is cheap.

    Go Bucs!!!
     
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    And the playoffs are finally here!

    As happy as I am about playing the Redskins (and I don't think it's going to be an easy one, because their defensive line is really good), it's a bit ridiculous that a 7-9 team gets a home playoff game vs a team with 11 regular season wins. I think the divisional winners deserve to be in the playoffs, but once you make it, your regular season record should reseed all teams. But it's happened before and it's what it is. So be it.

    Also, Todd Bowles is going to interview with the Falcons next week. I don't think it matters, because Todd is going to be focused only on the game. And I don't want to lose him (also, I don't think it's a great situation for him, because he's, most likely, the next Bucs HC once Brady and Arians retire, and, with no cap room, Atlanta won't have an easy transition into being a contender again), but if he's gone, I wish him the best. He's done a very good job with our defense the last two seasons.

    Let's focus on the game, tho:

    - We've got two key guys questionable and a game-time decision, both Mike Evans (although we still would have Godwin and Brown starting... in fact, I wouldn't start Mike if he's finally available, because, if we don't need him, it's better to rest him and give him another week to recover) and Carlton Davis (our best CB, by far). McCoy is also questionable, but it's not like he's been a real factor all season. And JPP was out most of the week, but he's going to be available.

    - Washington is going to be at full strength, missing only Thomas Davis.

    - Key matchup for the game: the battle of Washington's D-Line and our O-Line. Washington has a great d-line, with plenty of players that can put pressure on the QB. But, as bad as our O-line has been for more than a decade, this has been a pretty decent unit this year. Wirfs has been a great help, Marpet (who was out a few games, and the line suffered because of it) is a star, Smith has been mostly consistent after his awful start of the season, Jense is solid. This line, while not totally dominating, is pretty decent. And if we manage to contain Washington's pressure on Brady, the game is ours to lose.

    - Washington's defense has a weakness and that has been their run defense all year long. RoJo should play a big role in this game. And he looked pretty good last week.

    - Defense, defense, defense. If this game becomes a high-scoring one, Washington has no chance. I expect them to have long, sustained drives and let defenses fight out the game.


    Here's hoping the Bucs first trip to the playoffs in 13 years doesn't end today!
     
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    Well, so we've got our first playoff win in... forever. Since our 2002 SB championship, iirc. That's... a lot.

    Ok, let's get into the game. First, Devin White and Steve McLendon were out because they couldn't clear Covid protocols in time. They'll be back next week, and White alone makes the defense much better. He'll be a big boost. Kevin Minter has been a good replacement for him, but the sooner he comes back, the better for us.

    A pity what happened with RoJo. He's been our best back this season (by far), played last week and had been practicing fully the last couple of days. But seems like he had a quad injury right before the game.

    So, game notes:

    - Fournette had his best game as a Buc replacing RoJo. 1 TD, 93 yards on the ground, 39 more from Brady. Solid, decisive running that helped the team when we needed it the most.

    - Mike Evans and Cam Brate delivered big in their first playoff game. 119 yards from Evans, 80 more from Brate. Godwin had 79 yards and a TD, although he had several unexpected (from him, at least) drops (playoff jitters, maybe?). Antonio Brown has been great for this team, too, and managed to get another score.

    - Brady was his usual, effective self. 381 yards, 2 TDs, no INTs. Everything the team hoped for when he was signed.

    - The line did a tremendous job on Chase Young, who was a non-factor all night. Sweat and Daron Payne took advantage and got to Brady, but the line, mostly, did a decent job protecting him. Wirfs and Donovan Smith were great (and I don't say so about Smith often). Alex Cappa was good but got injured and now is done for the playoffs with a fracture, which is going to be troublesome, because Larsen subbed him and all the sacks came through that hole. That's gonna be a problem, because the line was playing really well this year. Talking about the line, Gronk did a great job in the trenches, while Brate was the TE Brady went to as a passing threat, and it really worked.

    - On defense, Lavonte David, in his first playoff appearance, set the tone with a good game, 9 tackles and a sack and having Carlton Davis back helped. Sean Murphy-Bunting had a key INT in the first half that allowed us to go up 9-0 to start the game. But those were individual performances (and a single play in SMB's case). The defense didn't play well. In fact, they were quite porous in the secondary, and that's against a backup QB with not much talent on offense. The o-line did a better job and put pressure on Heinicke, although they failed to wrap him as much as they could. But the secondary didn't have a good game at all.

    - Ryan Succop has been great for this team, solving our kicking woes that had been a staple of the Bucs since... well, our last playoff run. He had an XP blocked, but was 4/4 in FGs.

    - Washington did all they could, but they just weren't good enough, particularly on offense. And that's considering that Heinicke had a decent game. They even made the game close after the third quarter, but I think it was more relaxation on our side than anything. Once again, the defense didn't do a good enough job. One quarter in which the offense wasn't able to get a score and the game was close again.

    - If I had to talk about something (other than the porous defense, as posted above) that wasn't encouraging from the Bucs win, it'd be red-zone efficiency, just 1-5. If we had been a bit better, the game would have been closed much sooner.


    Anyways, it was a great, much needed win for this franchise, and now we just have to wait and see who's gonna be our next rival. If New Orleans beats Chicago, as expected, we're heading to the Bayou next week. If, somehow, Chicago wins, we'll host the Rams at the RayJay. And to beat any of those teams, we're gonna need to step up on defense. The offense alone can carry us vs Washington, but won't be enough to beat a good team.

    Go Bucs!!!
     
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    Ohhh, well regardless if it’s NOLA or Chi-town, I wish your team the best of luck and will be rooting for them!
     
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    Thanks, mate!

    So we're heading to NOLA next week, and it's going to be a challenge. The Saints have had our number this season, winning, and winning easily. In fact, our worst game of the season was at home vs the Saints. New Orleans is a well-coached, tough team that won't make it easy. And our defense has to step up, because we won't have a chance at winning if we're as porous as we were.

    Still, can't wait for the game.
     
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    Happy for u TMC!
     
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    Thanks! It's been a while... :D

    Now let's see if we can deal with the Saints. First game of the season was actually close for most of the game. The one at the RayJay was our worst defeat of the year.
     
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    Alright, let's go with the injury news of the Bucs vs New Orleans:

    - As expected, Alex Cappa is out. It's a big issue, because he wasn't playing well at the start of the season, but improved a lot during the year and managed to have a pretty good season, earning that RG starting spot. Larsen subbed for him when he went down vs Washington and was a complete disaster, with Daron Paynenplaying with him like a kid with a toy and getting to Brady easily, managed two sacks during that time. Guess Arians decided to play Larsen because he's a vet and has experience in big games, but it was a disaster.

    Aaron Stinnie will be the starter against the Saints. And, even tho he's done well in very limited time for us, it's going to be his first start in the NFL. So there's reason to be concerned.

    - Covid trouble strikes again, with Kevin Minter, who was playing really well for us, heading into the reserve/Covid-19 list. It's not clear if it's because he tested positive (in which case he's going to miss the Saints game) or because he's a close contact of a positive, and in that case, if he tests negative, has to follow a five-day quarantine, so he'd be activated right in time for the game. He's a backup, but he's a good backup, and you never know when you're gonna need one of those. He's played well whenever he had the chance.

    On the positive side, both Devin White and Steve McLendon are back after missing the Wildcard game in the Covid-19 list. White is key for our defense, and McLendon is a useful role player.
     
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    And we're back to the NFC title game!!!! The Bucs have won an incredible game at New Orleans!

    Quick notes on the game:

    - This was a defensive outing. Don't let the final score make you think it was not. Both defenses played well enough. The o-lines played really well, too (we gave up one sack, the Saints none). The game was pretty even most of the time and the turnovers were the real reason we won.

    - On offense, Brady was effective albeit unspectacular. Quiet first half, better second one, including some tough throws (btw, Tyler Johnson had an amazing catch, one of the best of the season). The Saints defense did such a good job covering our top receiving threats that Brady had to diversify the offense, with Cam Brate leading the team with 50 yards (and two huge catches). Evans was quiet. Godwin was quiet. Brown passed a lot of time on the bench. The Saints had a good gameplan to stop our offense, and Brady still did enough to win the game.

    - More on offense, the RBs. RoJo came back and had a few good runs (even tho it was clear he was playing through some pain). Fournette woke up just in time for the playoffs and is playing really well right now. Both did well.

    - Already talked about our o-line. Let's do it once again. They played well, and that's huge because we were playing without Alex Cappa, and Washington was able to get to Brady more easily than the Saints.

    - The game was so close that the stats of both offenses are almost identical. No offense won the game, but one of the lost it.

    - So here's the meat of the game: turnovers. Our defense was GREAT, creating four turnovers. A fumble that Devin White recovered and three INTs. That was the game.

    - Sean Murphy-Bunting had another INT, second player in Bucs history to record INTs in consecutive playoff games, joining Ronde Barber. Also had two passes defended and a tackle for loss. It was a good game.

    - The secondary was bad vs the Redskins, but came out looking great against the Saints. Held Michael Thomas to no catches and, even tho Tre'Quan Smith beat them often and had a good game, it was a good effort by the unit, keeping everybody else at bay. Antoine Winfield Jr. had a great game, and even forced the fumble in the third quarter that changed the game. Mike Edwards had another INT to seal the win.

    - As always, Ryan Succop delivered, with another perfect performance, hitting his three field goals and all XPs.

    - And I'm leaving the best for the last, because Devin White played like a man possessed, after missing last week's game. In his first playoff game for the Bucs, he was literally everywhere, with 11 tackles (10 solo), a tackle for loss, a fumble recovered, a pass defended and an INT. He was the MVP of a very good defense yesterday. So great to have him back. I love this kid.


    Next, we're going to Lambeau to play the Packers, with a trip to the SB waiting. And I'm not as confident for this game as I was for the Saints (note: I wasn't, but something inside of me told me it was possible to win). Why? Mainly the cold. We don't play well in cold weather. I'd be a lot more confident if weren't playing there.

    Oh, well... we had our best win of the season vs the Packers. Let's see if some of that magic remains with the team.

    Go Bucs!!!
     
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    Congrats TMC!

    I did find it sad to watch Drew Brees go out like that. He was not good at all, cannot throw the ball 25 + yards anymore.
     
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    I think Brees is done. 2018 was such a heartbreaker ending for him because that was the year the stars aligned for them to go to the Super Bowl. He was killing it that season. And then the PI-that-wasn’t happened. He hasn’t been the same since.

    Rodgers/Brady in the NFC Championship is so prime time.
     
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    In any case, he's had an amazing career. What he's done for the city of New Orleans, transforming, alongside Payton, the Saints franchise into one of the premier NFL destinations, is nothing short of amazing.

    I also think he's done. But we'll see... if he doesn't come back, the Saints have a problem, because they can't expect to be contenders with Taysom Hill at QB, imho. Jameis would be a better option, but Jameis is still Jameis. They will be good, but I don't think they're going to be good enough.

    Just imagine if he had signed with Miami instead of New Orleans. That failed physical still haunts the Dolphins.


    Same things happens to us once Brady retires, btw, and probably even worse, because I'm pretty sure Arians will also retire with him. Next year is a sure thing, maybe another one, if stars align. But we better start thinking about the future, because it's coming.
     
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    Bucs news on the most important week of the last decade (or, more accurately, since 2002):

    - Antoine Winfield Jr. and Tristan Wyrfs named for the all-rookie team. For starters, Wyrfs has been one of the best RT of the NFL, arguably the best, allowing just one sack in more than 1,000 snaps. Winfield Jr. has been up and down, with some rookie mistakes, but overall had a very good season and proved his versatility being used both on coverage and blitzing, with some success. These two picks in last year's draft have been a big reason the Bucs had a very successful season.

    - Deone Buccanon has been signed from the practice squad. Has played very well for us in special teams, and has plenty of experience in the NFL.

    - Kevin Minter is back from the Covid-19 list. Good backup that shouldn't play a huge role with Devin White playing like he's playing, but nice to have him back.

    - Kenjon Barner is also practicing with the team, still not cleared, but he'd be important if he's back, as he's the best return guy this team has.

    - Vita Vea is back in practice! Not sure what they plan to do with him, if he's going to play a few snaps or just have him back with the team or try to save him for the SB... it's going to be a tough call, but it's great to have him back from injury!

    - Antonio Brown is day-to-day after his knee injury last week. It's not a serious injury, but probably will be a game-time decision.
     
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    How has AB been, btw? I have not heard much since he returned which is a great thing.
     
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    Good behavior, impact varied from game to game. Was really good at times and added a lot more depth for our WR core, which was helpful with Evans injured for most of the year. Last quarter of the season was obvious he had learned the system better and had become another useful threat.

    All in all, I think he helped the team and was a valuable addition. I never wouldda bet on that, but hey, for whatever reason (probably because he knew it was his last chance), he's been a valuable member of the Bucs.
     

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