How About an NFC South thread?

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  1. TMC

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    Well, good news (for me, at least) in the NFC South, as Luke Kuechly has retired at age 28, leaving a big hole in Carolina's defense. What a great, albeit short, career he's had. He's been the enemy, but he's been a really amazing player. The timing is surprising, but hey, good for us Bucs fans!
     
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    Goodbye Jameis Winston, hello... Tom Brady?
     
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    Hopefully. Although I think the Chargers make more sense for him...

    In any case, I'm happy JPP and Shaq Barrett are back. Those were important signings. But we'll see what happens, the teams loved Teddy Bridgewater, but seems like he's signing with Carolina. And Rivers has joined the Colts. Which means we're either signing Brady... or keeping Jameis. Ugh...
     
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    Well, some sites are reporting that the Bucs will announce Brady's signing tomorrow... It'd be a coup, and a return to contention. But let's wait til it happens...
     
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    Ok, so it seems like a done deal, time to talk about it...

    First things firsts... that means Jameis is gone!!!!! About f*cking time! I'm just not sure where he's gonna sign, I don't think there's a huge market for him. And it's a pity, because he's great at times, but you can't trust a guy so careless with the ball. I think he's gonna sign a 1-year, prove-it deal in order to be a backup and/or maybe compete for a starting job in a team where the QB position is not settled.

    But back to the Bucs, so far we're keeping Barrett and JPP (both huge moves), and adding Brady completely changes our offense. We've got the skill players (we need to add a RB, tho), we've got some decent talent in the o-line (although now I'm sure we're drafting a tackle early, but the line should be competent... not great, but at least average) and our defense was great the second half of the season.

    Are we a contender? Hard to say. Brady's game declined last year (although still is a big improvement over Jameis), the running game had some moments, but never really got going (RoJo looked good at times, so there's hope), we've lost some valuable guys (Perriman, Nassib) and need another DT (Suh is interested in coming back, and that'd be great). So I'm sure the 2020 Bucs will be better, and should be in the hunt for a playoff spot. But contenders? Certainly too early to tell.
     
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    It will be an interesting season for the Bucs! Not too shabby having the best QB of all time, even in his last 2 years.
     
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    Wow. Crazy. That gives you a window for winning at the very least. Then a replacement search in a year or two
     
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    And let's keep in mind that 2021's SB is gonna be played in Tampa. That's why the team was looking for a two-year deal. It'd be amazing if Brady could retire winning another ring in his own stadium!!

    There are lots of question marks, tho, starting with how well Tom is going to adapt to the team (and the team to him), if the defense is gonna keep playing at the level they had the second half of next season, what's going to happen on draft day (tackles will be needed, on both lines). But there's a ton of talent on offense and I think Brady chose the Bucs because he knows we have plenty of guys that can make big plays. He now has two dominant WRs in Evans and Godwin, and I'm excited to see what he can do with O.J. Howard and Brate, and even RoJo, who's a threat out of the backfield in the passing game as well.

    I've read reports that Brady chose the Bucs because of their weapons, their location on the east coast and because he wanted to play for Bruce Arians. Guess it makes sense and Litch's bet on Arians is paying off.

    Finally, I've also read that Brady wants to play with Antonio Brown again if he's cleared to play. Not sure how I feel about that. Ok, I don't like it at all, but if that's what it takes to go from Jameis to Tom, so be it.
     
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    Also, love the new "logo"...

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    Sweet, going back to the original logo.
     
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    Suh is coming back to the Bucs! And that's a freaking big deal, because Vita Vea and him were amazing against the run, and did a decent job putting pressure on opposing QBs, allowing Barrett and JPP to have big sack numbers. The front line of the defense is looking great.

    We've also signed Joe Haeg, who has experience and can play anywhere in the o-line. I think it's a great depth signing. Still need some help at RT.

    These signings make me believe we're going o-line with our first round pick. Maybe if Swift is still there and the top tackles are gone, he can be the pick. Or a QB to learn for a couple of years after Tom. Maybe a safety, if they love McKinney (I like him, just not that high). But I think O-Line is the way to go.

    In any case, seems like the Bucs are going all-in this year. Totally expect to be contenders. My sanity just hopes is not another tease...
     
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    You have every right to feel skeptical, but man, I have to imagine it’s a little difficult to fight the urge to be optimistic. Yeah, Tom’s 42 and coming off a okay season but it’s still Tom Brady leading the offense! Still crazy to say that. And you never have to worry about which Jameis Winston you’re going to get.

    And no AB, according to Arians. Said he was “not a fit.”
     
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    Tom Brady on one leg still would be the best QB in Bucs history. Period.
     
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    hahaha, true!
     
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    Wow, and the Bucs are close to landing Gronk via trade. It would be Gronk and the Patriots' 7th rounder for the Bucs' 4th rounder.

    He's coming out of retirement to play again with Brady. I never felt like he was done and had plenty left in the tank. And it makes sense since not only does he get to pair with Brady again, but he just signed a deal with WWE and all their current operations are in Orlando. Also, a lot of active and retired wrestlers live in Tampa Bay. So he's now a short commute to both employers.
     
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    Gronk is a lot smarter than his goof ball looks.
     
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    Brady and Gronk reunited... on the Bucs?!? End of times.
     
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    Pretty much! :cool:

    I honestly can't wait for the next season. It just so happens that it's the Covid-19 season, and we might have football, but maybe in empty stadiums, and that's not gonna be the same if we come to that. Just hope everything is solved and life goes back to normal by September, but, honestly, I don't see it. I mean, I can see how we get back some sense of "normalcy", just not huge gatherings like football games. And if we can't enjoy Tom & Gronk at the RayJay, it's not gonna be the same. I wouldn't feel this way if Tom were 10 years younger, you know, but it's what it is.

    Back to the current news, I couldn't be happier to add two HOF players in one offseason. Gronk is among the best (if not the best) TEs in football history, and now he's going to play for the Bucs. It's unreal. I still can't believe it.

    Regarding the deal, I think we slightly overpaid... I mean, for Gronk it was either coming to the Bucs with Tom or stay retired, so New England didn't have any kind of leverage. I think they would have taken a 5th. But whatever, it was a 4th, we had two (ours and the compensatory one we got for Kwon moving to the Niners) and we get a huge, huge talent to improve our offense even more.

    I've been hearing a lot of rumors about the team trying to trade OJ Howard. I just hope it's Brate the one that goes. We're not gonna keep (or at least I don't think so) our top 3 TEs, so either Howard or Brate has to go. Brate is a big target in the end zone, but Howard is better at anything else, particularly blocking. Also cheaper. And Gronk is going to be the go-to guy. I love Brate, but keeping him over Howard makes no sense.

    Now, time to focus on the draft. I'm willing to bet on the team taking a tackle and a rb early, and that'd make our offense one of the best in the NFL. The defense can use some help on the d-line and secondary. But I think a tackle and rb will go in the first two days of the draft. Not sure in which spot. I'm not a fan of trading up from where we are right now, so if there's an early run for tackles and we run out of options, I'd love to trade down and take Swift and grab a tackle in the second round. As for defensive players in the first round, I like CJ Henderson a lot (and I think he'll be gone before we get to pick) and think Javon Kinlaw would be a great fit (and he'd be an immediate replacement for Suh once he's gone after next season). But I honestly believe we're going with a tackle in the first round.
     
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    We've got Wirfs!!!!

    I couldn't be happier with the outcome of the draft. My top tackle was Wills, who went to Cleveland, but Wirfs at #13 is really good value. Plenty of Bucs fans are pissed we traded up one spot for him (and we had to surrender a 4th round pick in order to do it) but, put it this way, Wirfs could have been gone if we hadn't trade up for him. Maybe not the Niners, but other teams were trying to trade up (I've heard Atlanta, among others, probably Miami) in order to take Wirfs there. So that 4th it's a well invested pick in order to take Wirfs.

    And I love Wirfs. He's athletic, he's huge, he's fast (for his size and position)... And we really, really needed a RT. Excellent first-round choice for the Bucs, if you ask me. Welcome to TOMpa Bay!!

    Now, if only we could take Swift in the 2nd round... (I honestly doubt he's going to fall that much, tho. I think he's going pretty early in the second round). McKinney would be great, too, even tho he's not a RB. But safety is also a need.
     
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    Ok, second day is in the books.

    And I couldn't be happier with the second round. I love Antoine Winfield Jr. We had some talent at safety, but not reliable ones. Justin Evans missed the whole season last season, and can make big plays, but also is prone to giving up big plays. Mike Edwards showed some promise last year, but missed games with injuries and had to be taken out in passing situations (not because he's awful, but Andrew Adams was better... except you can't rely on Adams other than that). Jordan Whitehead has been a nice surprise, tho, but still not a cornerstone of the unit. In comes Winfield Jr., who is a playmaker at every level and is really versatile, which is something our current safeties aren't. Seems like he's had some trouble staying healthy, which is a concern and probably was the reason he was available, but he's a ballhawk and a very good football player. I had him rated as a the second-third best safety in the whole draft, and is a really nice addition to a unit that needed an influx of talent. RB was a bigger need, but the top targets were taken before our pick, so I'm more than happy we went with the top player on our board while also fixing a need.

    As for our third-round pick, we took Ke'Shawn Vaughn. I know far less about him than about our first two picks, but I like what I've seen. He's got size, he's hard to tackle, he's tough, has great vision, seems like he knows how to block (RoJo doesn't, even two seasons into his NFL career), great in goal-line situations and even seems like he has some potential in the passing game. He's not exactly nimble, so he's more a downhill north-south back. He's a totally different back to RoJo, so I guess it fits what we needed. Probably a bit of a reach, but keep in mind we had a huge need at RB and we don't have any picks til the fifth round. Why not other backs that were available (like Zack Moss)? I think the Bucs like Vaughn's blocking a lot more, and that matters when you've got Brady at QB.

    In short, the Bucs were going to take a RB in the second, saw Winfield available there and decided to change course and take a RB that fits what they're looking for in the third, while taking the best available guy in the second. I can't blame them for that.

    As for today, we had two fourth-round choices, but one of them went to the Niners in the first-round trade and the other went to New England for Gronk. I think it's a good use of our fourth-round picks. Now let's see what we can do with our remaining choices, I just hope we can get some young talent to develop, guys with unique qualities that are raw and can develop other areas of their game. We really could use a backup defensive lineman, tho.

    Overall, I feel like we stole Wirfs in the first, and we stole a first-round talent in the second. This looks like our best draft since 1995, when we drafted Derrick Brooks and Warren Sapp.
     

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