How About an NFC South thread?

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  1. TMC

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    The Bucs need a new franchise...
     
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    F-U-C-K Jameis.

    I'm not watching another Bucs game until this moron is out of Tampa. Period. I'm sick and tired of getting angry at the Bucs. I gotta abstain from watching games, even if the only benefit is to keep my blood pressure under safe levels.

    I'll keep posting from time to time. Probably will watch highlights. But, as a fan, I'm out from watching live games. Got better things to do with my time.
     
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    I feel bad TMC for the emotional roller coaster you experience however I must declare this thread as the greatest thread that has ever existed on the interwebs.
     
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    Thanks. Not bad for a one-man show. At least some good came out of the Jameis rollercoaster. :cool::p
     
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    This thread is equivalent to an American hormonal teenager in an on-again/off-again relationship. :)
     
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    • I never miss a line in this thread.
     
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    Some good news: JPP is back at practice, and that's huge for a guy that was expected to miss the whole season. He's even saying he might be able to play next week.

    Of course, there are huge stakes for him for what's left of the season, as, after restructuring his deal, he's heading into free agency at the end of the season. So what he can show in the remaining games will be key to see what kind of contract he might get.
     
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    Random stat of the day, NFL teams with +200 points scored:

    Patriots 270 (8-1)
    Chiefs 252 (6-3)
    Ravens 251 (6-2)
    Seahawks 248 (7-2)
    Texans 238 (6-3)
    49ers 235 (8-0)
    Vikings 234 (6-3)
    Buccaneers 230 (2-6)
    Cowboys 227 (5-3)
    Packers 226 (7-2)
    Eagles 224 (5-4)
    Rams 214 (5-3)
    Panthers 209 (5-3)
    Lions 204 (3-4-1)

    Jameis has been a factor, but our secondary is historically terrible. And we've used 6 high draft picks in the last couple of drafts to fix it. Scary.
     
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    What is scary is that Jameis has been good enough that they just may give him a massive deal to stay. It's tough, QB's are so hard to find and he just continues to tease. Not good enough to win anything, but too good to dump.
     
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    Half the season he's been really solid. The other half has been a turnover machine. Tough spot for the Bucs, because we've NEVER had a franchise QB, so we know how hard it is to find one.

    Another interesting stat to prove this point: Jameis is the QB with more losses with a QB rating over 100. So if he plays well, we lose. If he plays bad, we lose. It's the Bucs life.
     
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    And right when he throws for his second INT of the game, it's about time for our weekly "F*ck Jameis" post! :cool:
     
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    Well, yesterday's was the luckiest win of the Arians era, because the Bucs did everything they could to lose the game. Our secondary can only be described as pathetic and Winston played well except for two costly interceptions and plenty of Bucs fans, and even the coaches, are saying those weren't his fault, but it just so happens that when you throw to a heavily covered receptor (Jameis threw into double coverage on both INTs), it might end up in an interception. It happens. Often.

    Also, Ronald Jones, who was coming alive and having a quietly nice season as of late, had one of the worst fumbles I've ever seen.

    With a competent secondary and minimizing mistakes, this was a game to win 40-12. And we had to wait til the very last play to win it. This is a bad football team, and that's not going to change until the secondary gets fixed somehow.

    As for the Cards, I really liked Murray. He threw a bad interception, but other than that, he was composed, made big plays and proved that he was a worthy #1 pick, with tremendous upside. So far, so good.


    Oh, well, I think I'll be rooting for the Ravens the rest of the season. I've always liked that franchise and how they develop players and focus on creating a defensive identity. Plus, Lamar Jackson is really fun to watch. The Ravens and Saints have always been the other teams I've liked besides the Bucs, anyways.
     
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    Vernon Hargreaves III released by the Bucs. It's surprising because of the timing and because our secondary sucks, but, at the same time, somewhat expected after Arians benched him in the third quarter because of "lack of effort", which can be one of the worst things you can say about a pro player.

    If someone wants to pick him up, he played well as our slot CB, but was terrible outside.

    And, with this, the 2016 draft was another huge failure. Ryan Smith remains with the Bucs, but he's a special teams player. Everybody else has been cut already.

    And that's why the Bucs consistently suck. You either draft good players, or you will suck, because free agency is not going to save you.
     
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    Some good news about... well, about one Buc:

    Mike Evans has surpassed Antonio Brown, Marvin Harrison and Larry Fitzgerald and now he's the 8th player with most receiving yards in his first 6 seasons in the league. Unless he gets injured, he's gonna surpass AJ Green as well and has a chance to go over DeAndre Hopkins (Julio Jones is next, but he needs +500 years in six games to get him).

    What a magnificent career the Bucs are ruining...
     
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    Following my series of HOF careers ruined by the Bucs franchise, I present you the second chapter:

    There are only two guys in the history of the NFL with 800+ tackles, 20 sacks and 10+ ints in his first seven seasons in the league. Also, there's nobody in the NFL with more solo tackles and fumble recoveries since 2012. Our Ruined By the Bucs HOF career of the week is none other than... Lavonte David.
     
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    Well, another somewhat easy win for the Bucs...

    First half was pretty good. Perriman had a good game, which was unheard of for his Tampa tenure, and the Bucs run blocking, for once, was pretty good. Our WRs didn't score any TD, but set up Barber for his second one and, while not dominant, our passing game was effective.

    The second half offense was terrible, and that kind of put Jacksonville back in the game, particularly after Westbrook's TD. But the defense stood up and played really well, pressuring Minshew and making him throw a bad INT that sealed the game.

    Jameis wasn't spectacular, but he didn't have any costly mistakes. Devin White and the d-line were dominant. And, what matters most, Shaq Barrett already has 14.5 sacks for the season and is on a DPOY run.

    Not particularly happy, because this game only adds to a worse draft position (if only we had won that f*cking game against the Giants, we could still have a fighting chance to make the playoffs!!). But the Bucs are playing solid and mistake-free football the last couple fo games. That's a good recipe to win games. Only problem, as always with the Bucs, is that it's too little, too late.
     
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    Without Mike Evans (injured in the play in which he scored), we're doing a pretty good job staying in the game... but the f*cking Jameis is doing it again. 4 TDs, 3 Ints. That gives him 26 TDs and 23 Ints for the season!!! That's ridiculous. He's brought the Bucs back and we might win this game, but you can't go anywhere in the NFL when your QB throws 23 interceptions per year! Phillip Rivers is second in the NFL and he's got 15! (one less game, tho).

    On the positive side, with Evans out, Justin Watson has been getting some targets at last. I've always liked him, big target, great hands, not really fast, but that's because of the kind of body he has... not sure why Arians doesn't use him much. Nice to see him be a factor for this offense.
     
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    Mike Evans out for the year. Good. Let him heal properly and stop winning meaningless games.

    Arians says he's concerned about winning, not draft position. But these last 3 wins only mean that we've gone from a top 5 draft position to a pick between #12 and #15. Great f*cking job.


    Yes, I'm a "fan" of tanking. You've got to play the system to really have a chance to matter in pro sports. And it's surprising to me that not more people think like that... Well, most guys in front office do, but can't say it. But other's don't particularly coaches. Bruce Arians is one of those. He's got the team playing hard for games that don't matter, and, even tho that should be the ideal course of action, it's not a practical one because it hurts your talent pool, which means you could have worse players next year and you could lose even more games, which will get you fired. So he should say the right thing, but we should be losing games nonetheless.

    Particularly in the NFL, because there's not a f*cking lottery for the draft.
     
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    Another meaningless win, another step in the wrong direction...

    But there were some interesting tidbits in Arians presser after the game:

    - Let's start with the good, as he said Shaq Barrett, who is leading the NFL in sacks and is a free agent, ain't going nowhere this offseason. That's good.

    - Also, Chris Godwin went down with a hamstring injury, similar to Mike Evans' last week. Arians admitted that maybe he's overworking WRs in practice. Not something you hear every day from your coach.

    - Not so great news regarding the QB, as Arians said Jameis has done more good than bad this season, and that "that was what [the coaching staff] has been looking for the whole year". Seems like they're sticking with him for another year, if not more. I just hope it's on a tag instead of a full extension...
     
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    I was sure the team would bring back Jameis next season, but after a 30 TDs, 30 INTs season, the first by any QB in NFL history, Arians was asked about the QB position and had this to say:

    "Another quarterback? Oh, yeah. [If] we can win with this one, we can definitely win with another one too. We're going to have this defense"

    So not exactly reassuring that Jameis will be back. At least I've got some hope that the team can move away from him and have a new QB next season.

    We're gonna have $89 million available for free agency (more if we make certain cuts), but we've got to bring back Shaq Barrett (after breaking any franchise record, leading the NFL with 195 sacks) and JPP (who ended up with 8.5 sacks and playing at a very, very high level after missing the first half of the season), and hopefully extending Chris Godwin.

    Problem is, we're picking at #14, so I don't know which way we're heading in the first round. We need offensive linemen (at least two), we need a QB and we still need help on defense, despite ending the season playing pretty well there, but a new safety to help Edwards, or some LB depth or someone to replace Suh would be a nice addition.

    On one side, I really like how the defense evolved over the season, and right now it looks like the unit is heading in the right way, putting pressure to the QB, with a guy like Carlton Davis that finally looks like a true #1 CB, with two young CBs like Jamel Dean and Sean Murphy-Bunting developing nicely, one of the best LB units in the league (JPP, Shaq Barrett, Devin White and Lavonte David)... the defense is certainly heading the right way.

    On the other side, winning so many games at the end of the season f*cked up our draft position. That hurts, because our main objectives in the draft most likely won't be available at #14. We will either have to reach for other players or go another way with our first round pick.
     

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