How About an NFC South thread?

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  1. TMC

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    So we've re-signed our LT, Donovan Smith, to a three-year deal, which usually is a good move, but every Bucs fan (the few left) is already asking for Litch's head.

    We're basically going to pay Smith the equivalent of the franchise tag for three years. And the best trait Smith has is... well, he doesn't get injured. That's good and all, but if that's your best trait and your worst is "consistency issues", that's not exactly a recipe for success.

    So, after this move, the Bucs have three guys (three!!!!) making over $10 million per year for a very average o-line: Smith, Ryan Jensen (love his fire, but he's overpaid. Period) and Ali Marpet (this one deserves it). What's worse, we're the ONLY NFL team paying that much to offensive linemen. If you're going to use so much money, you better get more than an average line.

    Also, seems like the team has made a long-term offer to Kwon Alexander, and that they do not care that much about his knee injury, and are pretty optimistic he's going to sign it. I like Kwon, but he also has consistency issues.

    What's more, it's not like we have a huge amount of money available under the cap. These two moves probably mean Humpreys is gone and that DeSean Jackson will be cut as well. Gerald McCoy is expected to be back, so that means we've got to get the money somewhere. Those are the guys I fully expect to go. And a few more, but probably not big names.
     
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    Looks like we signed Alexander.. and he's getting paid. Would you consider this a good signing for the niners TMC ?
     
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    I know this was directed at TMC and he will know best but certainly gives you speed at the position which is very important to the type of defense Saleh wants to run. He is a guy who can run to the ball, but doesn't always make the tackle. Inconsistent in his tackling but a pretty good signing.
     
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    Sh*t. Let's start by saying I hate losing him... Kwon was a great teammate, a team captain and a very productive player during his Bucs tenure.

    He's had coverage issues his whole career, but he's also been very productive. One of his main issues is staying healthy, tho, with tons of injuries keeping him off the field. Tackling, as Bada says, has been inconsistent. Then again, he'll have some "mental lapses" from time to time that will get Niners fans in "wtf?" mode.

    But that's the bad side. There's a very good side as well. As I've said, he's been really productive when healthy, a team leader and a very popular player in Tampa. I think he's a very good LB that should get better with proper coaching. He's strong, fast and will make a ton of tackles for your defense. You're gonna love him. And if he finds a way to make the game go slower for him and avoid those mental lapses, he's going to be a perennial pro bowler for you, guys.

    So I'd say, in terms of production, he's a very good signing. In terms of his contract, he's vastly overpaid, but hey, that's free agency...

    I would have rather keep Kwon instead of Donovan Smith. F*ck. Way to start Arians' tenure, by losing one of the few good defenders on the team.

    Really, really hope we take Devin White in the draft as his replacement, as we now have a big hole at MLB.


    We're also losing Adam Humphries to the Titans, a very productive slot WR. And have traded DeSean to Philly for a minor switch of picks (no complaining with this last move).

    So far, pretty sh*tty start of free agency.
     
  5. TMC

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    Gotta admit I'm quite happy with the signings in free agency. None of them are flashy, but they fill clear needs and, what matters most, most of them are one-year deals, so not risk involved (and even Donovan Smith's new deal, the biggest one, is basically a two-year deal, because all the guarantees are gone after the first two years).

    Not like we could do much more with barely enough cap room for the rookie class and not much else.

    Only real bad news are losing Kwon, but there was no way we could afford him at that prize tag.

    These are our signings so far:

    - Shaquil Barrett, who was a contributor in Denver but lost his starting spot to Chubb. He's going to replace Vinny Curry and he won't need to do much to make more of an impact.
    - Deone Bucannon, the "moneybacker" in Arizona and a guy that knows Bowles defense inside out and has played well in that scheme.
    - Breshad Perriman, who seems to have played better in Cleveland, but was cut in Baltimore because he wasn't able to catch a ball. He's got plenty of speed. Not sure he's the right guy for the slot, tho, but worth a try after playing well with the Browns and on a one-year deal.
    - Earl Watford becomes our new RG, which is a great thing, because Caleb Benenoch sucked last year at guard. Caleb is moving to backup tackle this year, which is his real position, and Watford should be an improvement over him on the inside.
    - Bradley Pinion, punter, who has been signed because Anger was making too much money. He's signed a four-year deal, but not much money and, hey, it's a punter.
    - Rakeem Nuñez-Roches, DT, who I expected to be just depth at DT. He's got GMC, Vea and Beau Allen (and Will Gholston!, who we haven't cut because... I don't know).
    - Ryan Griffin is back. He's been our third QB for a few years already, but hasn't played any meaningful snap. Don't think he's the answer as a backup if anything happens to Jameis (or if he plays as poorly as last year).
    - Peyton Barber is also back on a one-year deal, which kinda sucks. And it sucks because I like him a lot and think he can be a feature back. Hope Arians gets more out of him, because Koetter simply forgot about him after a couple of good runs.
    - De'Vante Harris also re-signed, and that's good news because he played really well at the end of last year.

    Guys we're looking at: RB Isiah Crowell, just cut by the Jets, former Green Bay safety Kentrell Brice, former Cards DE Markus Golden.

    So, even tho people in Tampa are angry at the Bucs not signing any big names, I think they're doing everything they can and adding proven players at positions of need. Only real bad side of the offseason has been, as I said, not being able to keep Kwon.
     
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    I'm not going to do my regular "State of the Bucs" that I do every year because the state is as sorry as it can possibly be. In short, the roster is almost the same minus Kwon and Humph and with few noticeable newcomers, mainly Shaq Barrett and Buccanon, both guys that I think have a chance to be big contributors to our defense. But we haven't improved much in free agency because... well, we don't have any money left. Which is why the draft is so important for this franchise.

    Since losing Kwon, I've been focusing on Devin White, whom I think is ready to run a NFL defense and will be a big time player, but the more I watch of other players in the draft, the more I think we can get a useful LB in later rounds and should focus instead on a position of need. That leaves several names on the board:

    - Quinnen Williams (not likely to fall to #5, but you never know...) and Ed Oliver: We took Vita Vea last season, and he played well the last quarter of the season, but we're going to need someone to play inside and to generate pressure on the QB. That's McCoy's role, but McCoy is not the same player he once was, and you just can't justify his $13 million tag the way he's playing right now. The team is (allegedly) looking to trade him and/or release him in order to have some room under the cap, and taking his replacement here makes a lot of sense.

    - Nick Bosa (if Williams is unlikely to fall to #5, Bosa is nearly impossible) and Josh Allen. Both are freak players that play one of the most important positions in the game. Allen is also a perfect fit with the move to a 3-4 defense that Bowles will implement. And our best DEs are Carl Nassib (a steal last season after he was cut by Cleveland, played really well and earn himself starter minutes) and JPP (our best defensive player last season, but on the wrong side of 30 and with no money guaranteed on his deal after this season).

    Any of those guys would be a big help, and one of them should be available to us. I'm not gonna be mad if they take White instead (it wouldn't be like last year, when the Bucs took Vea instead of Derwin F*cking James!!!), but, at this point, I'd rather take any of the guys mentioned above.

    As for needs, we need help at RG, RT, C (unless Ryan Jense improves dramatically this year, but we can't pay him top 3 money at the position for average play), RB, DE, DT, MLB, CB (love Carlton Davis, and I think VH III will play better under Bowles than he did under Mike Smith, but there's no depth behind those two) and S.

    And yes, basically, that's the whole defense...

    If they expect to be a contender for the playoffs this season, they need to end up with four good starters after the draft, and for Bruce Arians to find a way to make Jameis avoid all the mistakes he usually makes. I'm not sure that's possible, but I really like Arians, so there's hope. I'm not gonna lose hope unless Bruce gives up mid-season and decides he's had enough...
     
  7. TMC

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    The Bucs have a horrid schedule for next season. Not only a tough one, but it includes a span of six weeks without a single home game (because the only home game after week 3 and til week 10 will be played in London). Must be the toughest schedule since I've been a Bucs fan, and that's saying a lot.

    Not really confident on this season. The more I check the schedule, the more I see a 5 win season...
     
  8. TMC

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    So now the NFL schedule-makers say this:

    "If we had to do-over, if we had a redo, I'd love to take another shot at that Tampa Bay schedule," North said. "I'm not sure that's really fair to their fans. I'm hopeful that we didn't do something to the Buccaneers that they feel like was really unfair."

    What? You didn't realize when you were finishing the schedule that the Bucs weren't playing a home game in two months?!?!?! Really??
     
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    The Raiders schedule is not much better TMC, take a look. They must have the 2nd worst after the Bucs.
     
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    The Raiders schedule is a tough one, but based on the strength of schedule. Simply put, they have tough rivals more often than not. And it's a bit weird because they have lots of groups of games. Two away, three at home, two away, two at home... it's weird.

    But we play on Sept. 22 at the RayJay vs the Giants. And won't play another home game til Nov. 10. Meanwhile, we'll have to travel to LA (Rams), Seattle, Tennessee and New Orleans (at least these two are short trips), and add another game (supposedly home) in London, a game that, to make things worse, is a divisional rivalry game vs Carolina, the team most despised by Bucs fans (that won't be able to root for his own team in his own house because of the stupid trip to London... if I'm not wrong, it's the first divisional game ever played in London).

    Believe, there's a real chance we come back home with a 0-5 record in that span, and the season will be over by that point.

    So yes, the Raiders schedule is tough, probably tougher than ours based on strength of schedule, but the way they have distributed our games is simply something I've never seen in all my years following the NFL. It makes zero sense, it cannot be more detrimental (although I guess they could have added a couple more road games in there, I don't know... ) and even the NFL has realized that by this point. They just did it too late to change anything...
     
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    Draft day is almost here! Can't wait!

    Also, as a sideline story, the future of one of my favorite Bucs ever is on the line, as there are plenty of rumors about what's going to happen with Gerald McCoy. I think that if Williams falls to us (it'd be utterly ridiculous, but I've seen worse) or if the Bucs feel Ed Oliver is going to be a force, he'll be traded for a very low pick or cut if they can't find a deal. If we take Devin White or Allen, I guess there's a chance he sticks around for one final season.

    In any case, he's not worth the $13 million he's going to make this year, but he still has something left. And he's been a great, great leader in our locker room for many years. If he's gone, he really will be missed.
     
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    Ok, so we've got ourselves a good LB.

    I'm happy with Devin White, but I would have been happier if the Raiders had taken Josh Allen, so we didn't have to make a choice. Now I'm gonna root for White secretly rooting for Allen not to become a monster that terrorizes opposing QBs in Jacksonville, which would make him a much more valuable player, no matter the kind of career White has.

    But I'm happy. We got the best LB in the draft (although some people like Bush better... I don't, but it's not like there's a big difference between them) and we fill a huge need in our roster, with Kwon now playing in San Francisco and Beckwith probably missing his second straight season. Generally I wouldn't like to take a LB at #5 overall, but this time, considering our needs and what was available, I'm fine with it.
     
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    Devin White is an infinitely better pick than Allen in my opinion. You got a great LB TMC.
     
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    I really do trust you in terms of football knowledge, mate, so I'm far happier now if you White as a better investment. I think White can be our Patrick Willis and run the defense for a long time. And, even tho #5 is really high for a LB, I can certainly live with that.
     
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    Very interesting (not good, let's be honest here) second day, or should I call the day of the defensive back in Tampa?

    In the second round, we took Sean Bunting (word out of Tampa is that Bowles didn't like Greedy at all), a CB that has all the measurables and very good tape, albeit not against top talent. In any case, Bunting is physical and able to play press coverage and zone schemes, a guy that Bowles will be able to trust on an island, but he's still raw. If he can start opposite to Carlton Davis, Hargreaves will move inside, where he has been pretty good. It was a pick for need, but I like it. Just one caveat: he has to bulk up for the NFL.

    Then we traded down in the third round, getting two late thirds for a high one. Good trade, imo.

    With the first of those third rounders, we took Jamel Dean, a very good CB that fell to the third round because of injury concerns. He was very productive, albeit not consistently, at Auburn when healthy. Has all the physical traits, size, speed, bulk, but needs to develop his technique and stay healthy. There's a lot of talent and potential here, so it's going to be a matter of developing him. I think this pick, in the late third, has more value than Bunting in the second. And I like both guys, I just don't like doubling down in CBs, which is something Litch does often (last year, for example, with MJ Stewart, who the have had to move to safety and Carlton Davis. At least Davis developed nicely and is now our best CB and a good starter... point is, we doubled down last year and we do it again, which doesn't seem like a good record at all).

    And with our final third rounder, we took Mike Edwards, also a productive safety that (hopefully) can develop into a starter, because Justin Evans is going to start, but the other spot if pretty open. Edwards is consistent and plays always hard, although he is lacking in terms of physical traits (hence why he's a third rounder). I want to like this pick, but I can't, not with needs all over other positions, not after doubling down in CBs, and, if you wanted a safety, not with Chauncey Gardner-Johnson or Deionte Thompson still available.

    So, all in all, the day was all about fixing an awful secondary, but I can't say it was a successful day. Hope to be proven wrong, but I think one of the CB picks should have gone to the o-line, where we have a massive need on both spots of the right side (Dotson because of age, and RG because we don't even have a starter), and there were better options available at safety. I kinda like the players we took, but their value is more than doubtful, and the fact that we have bigger needs that still need to fill makes it even worse.

    Also, we took like 9 defensive backs in the last 4 years. And we still keep drafting defensive backs. Excuse me if I'm not confident we're going to develop them nicely, because only Carlton Davis is a good starter.

    So, first day gets an A from me. Second day gets a C. Litch is reaching, as always, and the Bucs may end up paying for it.
     
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    Alright, for the last day, please, please, PLEASE, do not take more defensive backs.

    Which is a pity, because Chauncey Gardner-Johnson is still available... word is he's falling because he bombed several interviews with teams, but come one, being available this late is a bit ridiculous. In terms of talent, I think he should have been gone by the end of the second round, very early third.

    But, as we have a pretty extended collection of CBs and safeties, let's move on and hope Litch remembers he's drafted 9 already in 4 years and decides to fill other needs. Like:

    - Charles Omenihu, Texas, a huge DE, raw but with plenty of room to develop.

    - Oli Udoh, OT, Elon.

    - Terronne Prescod, OG. Slow, but enormous and extremely hard to move. Hey, it's the fourth round, you weren't expecting a mountain of a man that moves like Batman, right?

    Also good players that fit a need, Gerald Willis (DT, Miami) and Dru Samia (G, Oklahoma). So, please, after such a horrid second day, make one of those a Buc, because we need help in the trenches.

    I'd be happy with a couple of offensive linemen, a defensive lineman and a RB for the last day. Even tho we'd be lucky if a couple of those make the roster.
     
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    So, we took a kicker. Yes, another kicker. Because we love kickers and there's a rule somewhere that you have to take a kicker in every draft. Sometimes even with second rounders.

    To be fair, we took a DE, Anthony Nelson, with the fourth round. And that's alright. He was not my favorite pick, but he's got enough talent to develop into a rotational player, in a similar way to our own Carl Nassib. He's gonna have to bulk up, but he's a solid pick. Good.

    And then we took a kicker. Because we have to double down in CBs and take a kicker in every single, fucking draft. ANOTHER. FUCKING. KICKER.

    I don't follow kickers, so I've read about him. And he's got a good leg and didn't miss a single extra point in two seasons with the Utes. I've also read that he has a weird approach to strike the football that "may require some work to make an NFL roster". It's not that I trust everything I read, but this draft, that seemed like a tragedy after the first day, it's looking more and more like a fucking comedy.

    And we've had trouble at the position in the past (being the Bucs kicker was another tragedy, in fact), but Cairo Santos kicked very well to end last season, and he was signed this summer because he was the only reliable kicker we've had since we let Matt Bryant leave for the Falcons, more than a decade ago. So kicker WASN'T A FUCKING NEED.

    And we took a kicker.

    The O-Line remains in shambles. The running game has an undrafted guy like Barber and a bust like RoJo as our backfield. The D-Line has more guys that sacks last year if you don't count JPP's production.

    And we took a kicker.

    ANOTHER. FUCKING. KICKER.

    At this point, I'm pretty sure Litch is trolling the Bucs fans. The few left. The Glazers probably want to move the team to London or something and they don't know how to do it, so they're going to make sure nobody goes to RayJay (not Bucs fans, at least, but they might be out of luck, because everybody in Tampa has relocated there and are fans of other teams, so the RayJay might be packed for certain games no matter what), and an empty stadium gives them an excuse to move the team.

    Oh, another interesting tidbit: New Bucs kicker Matt Gay is, at No. 145, the highest drafted kicker since Bucs took Roberto Aguayo in 2016.

    And yes, it's the fifth round. And yes, our kicking game has been horrid. And yes, I might be overreacting and all. That's fine.

    But, really, can somebody explain to me why we took ANOTHER. FUCKING. KICKER?!?!?!?!?!




    PS: Hope you're having fun reading my recap. It helps me feel better and if somebody shares a laugh, all the better. ;)
     
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    Loved the rant TMC, sorry about the kicker.
     
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    Well, we did a good job with undrafted free agents, at least.

    We signed two guys for the o-line, G Zack Bailey and C Nate Trewyn (I thought Bailey would be a late pick, albeit drafted... don't know anything about Trewyn). We also signed a LS (Dan Godsil) and, above anybody else, we got two guys that I hope can make the team: Anthony Johnson, a very productive WR that I can't understand why wasn't drafted (I like him a lot more than Scotty Mitchell, our 6th round pick, who is really fast but that's it) and Kahzin Daniels, a LB/DE that has me already rooting for him to make the team, because he plays hard despite all the troubles he's had to endure in his life. He only sees out of his left eye, and still made it to the NFL. Very inspiring story and a guy that makes you want to root for him.

    All in all, I give this draft a C-. Our defense has improved, that's for sure, and that's why it's not a disaster as I probably made it seem above. But this draft would have been a B or even an A if Litch had addressed our problems with the right side of the O-Line. I think we've wasted several picks (seriously, I don't see Miller making the team at all, same for the DT we took with our 7th, and obviously we won't carry two kickers, so Santos or Gay will be looking for a team after training camp... if it's Gay, it'd be another wasted pick).

    I've read some recaps on national media (SI, for example) that give the Bucs an A. That's obviously coming from a guy that hasn't watched the Bucs play (or draft) in recent years and just took a look at how easy it was to score on us. But this team had several serious problems and needs that weren't addressed properly in the draft. No way I can go above C- for the shit job Litch and Arians did on draft day. I think Arians is a great coach, but drafting has never been his forte. And Litch is gonna Litch on draft day...
     
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    Also, in more typically Bucs news, Jason Pierre-Paul has a fractured neck after a car accident last week, and he's gonna require surgery to fix it. Seems pretty likely that he's going to miss the 2019 season entirely.

    Season's over even before it starts. This is the Bucs life.

    At this point, I think you all understand why I adopt another team to root for every single season. It's too hard to be exclusively a Bucs fan.
     

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