How About an NFC South thread?

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  1. TMC

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    This team is garbage. I don't know why I keep watching Bucs games. Probably will watch only Saints games (and maybe Bears, it's fun to watch that defense!) the rest of the season. As for today, I'm thinking I better go back to Red Dead 2...
     
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    Ha! Just when I thought the Bucs staff couldn't be more idiotic...

    The one thing, the only one thing we had this season was that Todd Monken's offense would put up points on the board, averaging 28 per game. Not an easy fit to achieve with an offense so careless with turnovers.

    So here comes the game vs the Redskins and Koetter decides that it'd be a good idea to keep the playcalling for himself. Monken was in the booth, but the voice in Fitz's head was going to be Koetter's all the way. What happens? We score 3 points. 3 fucking points for a team that was averaging 28. More than 500 yards gained on offense for 3 fucking points!!!. Another historically embarrassing defeat, as now we're the only team in NFL history with more than 450 yards in a game that wasn't able to score more than 3 points!!!!

    How soon can we fire this clown? Why not now and give Todd Monken and try-out the rest of the season? How long til I become a Saints fan for good?
     
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    Another week, another pitiful Bucs defeat...

    But the Saints are the real deal. They disposed of Philly so easily it's scary. At this point, I can't see any other team close to their level. Biggest concern might be their lack of depth on the passing game, but this offense looks unstoppable everywhere else, and the defense is playing well enough as well.
     
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    Saints are downright scary! Dont know how you begin to try and stop that offense.

    Is Winston going to start this weekend? What a cluster that position is... both can make such big plays but they both also can't seem to avoid making just ridiculously bad decisions.
     
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    Saints are amazing, and I love how crazy the city of New Orleans is about the Saints. It's a small market, but the Saints are really beloved there, to the point that, if AD leaves, I'm not sure the Pelicans are viable there without Tom Benson. The city just cares about the Saints and Saints only. And I think that gives them a slight edge over other franchises.

    Back to the lowly Bucs, nobody knows, and, at this point, nobody really cares. The few fans left (and I'm posting this as opposed to the previous comment about New Orleans being crazy about the Saints... it's quite the opposite with the Bucs, even when they were good, there were plenty of fans of rival teams in the stands of the RayJay, to the point that people in Tampa joke about the Giants or Steelers getting another home game whenever they play in Tampa) are simply waiting for the season to end, and for the team to lose as many games as possible hoping for a high draft pick.

    Koetter is gone at the end of the season. Nobody really knows about Litch. Nobody really knows what's going to happen with the team. Are we starting from scratch and rebuilding the whole team? Are we trying to patch this current roster and try to be good fast? (hard to do without a good QB and with a porous defense). Nobody has a clue about the direction of the team, because, for starters, the Glazers never say anything, or make any moves mid-season.

    I just fear we're going to waste Mike Evans career the same way we've wasted Gerald McCoy's (or Lavonte David's, for that matter). The few great players we have had in the last decade all have seen their careers go down the drain because we've never been able to have a plan to build the team, and that starts at the top. There's no direction or leadership coming from ownership, and we've changed ways so many times, and with no clear plan in sight, that it's no surprise this team has been failing season after season.


    Btw, and to be fair, JPP has been great this season. I think it should be duly noted. He's always played hard and made an impact even if the rest of the defense didn't even try.
     
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    Good win vs the Panthers. Anytime Carolina loses it's a good day. Now, please, just tank all the way for the rest of the season. I don't want management to get any funny ideas after a few more irrelevant wins, like bringing back Koetter for a third season...

    btw, if the defense had play this way the whole season, we'd be in the mix for a wildcard spot. It's getting better and better each week since Mike Smith got fired.
     
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    huge win... Bring back Koetter!!!
     
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    Weird game by the Bucs yesterday, although I'm happy we ended up losing it. That means we're one step closer to having a real coach... one day.

    Very different game in it's two periods, because the Bucs dominated the first half, stopping the Saints offense, and doing a half-decent job on offense: not playing well, other than the first drive, but good enough to put some points on the board. A pity Cairo Santos missed two field goals that would have given us bigger room to control the clock in the second half.

    As for the second half, everything started more or less the same, until the Saints blocked a punt and got their first TD in the next drive. Everything went to sh*t from that point on. It can be argued that if the offense had been able to move the ball, by passing or running it, because they did neither, it would have been a different story.

    But the defense couldn't contain the Saints anymore, showing signs of being tired from being too much time on the field (the offense at this point just filled a series of 3-and-out drives).

    Jameis made a couple of big plays, but mostly was unable to move the ball in the second half. Donovan Smith sucked on the o-line, one of his worst games as a pro. And Jameis had a shouting match with Ryan Jensen at some point...

    So, final notes from the game:

    One step closer to the objective.

    Get rid of Jameis.

    Fire Koetter.
     
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    The Pro Bowl is the biggest joke in sports. The Bucs had several guys that could go, a couple of them that should have been a lock to the game. Mike Evans should have been there. JPP should have been there. Lavonte David should have been there (then again, he's missed several games, so I don't consider him a lock, but he's been excellent when healthy this year). You can even make a case for Ali Marpet. But, at the very least, Evans and JPP should have been in the game, not as alternates.

    And we got zilch. Not that I care much about the Pro Bowl, All Star Games and that kind of shows, but you've got to reward players for great seasons, even if their team sucks. And popular vote goes against that. More often than not, votes from media people that cover the sport go against that, because they're used to the guys that they cover on a regular basis.

    Happens every year, and I'm guessing that's part of the reason people are starting to not care about those games. At this point, I think the NBA and NFL should just give up and scratch both games from their schedule. It won't happen, particularly for the NBA (Pro Bowl is way worse than the All Star Game), but it should.
     
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    TMC is most likely sleeping, but he will awake to find his Christmas/New Years wish has come true: The Bucs have fired Koetter.
     
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    And they also exercised Winston's 5th year option, so he will be the Bucs QB for at least one more season for $20 million.
     
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    Everybody knew Koetter was gone. Even Koetter himself. In fact, seems like the Bucs were strongly considering John Harbaugh for the HC opening, except the Ravens have decided to sign him to an extension, so that possibility is gone...

    I just hope they conduct a thorough search and don't stay in-house like last time. Duffner did a decent job with the defense, particularly with a ton of injuries on that side, and Monken's offense was great on stats (on every stat, including turnovers...), but this team needs a complete change of culture.

    Also, not exactly thrilled at another year of Jameis. But this year's draft doesn't exactly have a ton of great QB prospects (although I like Haskins, but he's far from a sure thing, and everybody else is kinda meh...). Seems like 2020 will be a much better draft if you need a QB. So I understand not going for a QB in this year if they're convinced by the talent level and bringing back Jameis. Of course, that means rebuilding will be delayed for one more year...

    Worst part of the weekend is that Gerald McCoy seems like might have played his last game as a Buc. Truly great guy, someone who gave everything he had for the franchise and sustained a high level of play for many years. But he's making $13 million per year and his production is not what it once was. What he said yesterday after the game seemed like a goodbye... Really sad to see such a great career wasted on a disappointing team year after year.
     
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    Some interesting rumors on the coaching search... seems like the Glazers want a big name, someone with a proven record, and even tho that's no guarantee of anything (just look back a few years, when we signed Lovie Smith), I think it's a step in the right direction for this team.

    Also, Licht has said it won't be an internal hire, that they're going for someone outside the organization. That fits with what all the above.

    Harbaugh was the one they wanted (and he hasn't signed his extension yet with Baltimore, but he's under contract for next year, in any case), but there are other good options available (no, not Mike McCarthy). And one of them just said he's interested in the job. Bruce Arians has been saying for a while that he was only interested in the Browns job, but he's changed the tune recently by saying he's got a good relationship with GM Jason Licht and that he'd listen to the Bucs if he were contacted.

    The local media, meanwhile, says the Bucs interest in Arians is real, and that other former NFL coaches are being considered as well: Jack Del Rio and Jim Caldwell (ugh). There are even rumors that former Jets HC, Todd Bowles, would join him as DC.

    Arians would be great. At least he's proven, has a good record as a HC, and his former players and staff all vouch for him. Age might be an issue. He'd be 67 by the start of next season, and, iirc, had health issues in his last season in Arizona.

    Del Rio and Caldwell... god no. That'd be too much to endure as a Bucs fan, I want to keep what remains of my sanity.

    Btw, if I had to make the hiring, I'd focus just on the following guys, in this particular order:

    Bruce Arians
    Vic Fangio
    Pete Carmichael Jr
    Eric Bieniemy (the Bucs have requested an interview already)
    George Edwards (have also requested an interview)

    Also, funnily enough, Dirk Koetter seems to be on his way back to Atlanta to become OC once again. So he was OC of the Jags, then Atlanta, then the Bucs, then promoted to HC of the Bucs to now go back as OC of the Falcons. Did this ever happen before inside a division?
     
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    More news on the Bucs coaching search:

    - Bieniemy has interviewed already with the Bucs, and Edwards will do it on friday.

    - Two new names to add to the search:

    Kris Richard, former Seattle DC and current Dallas DC of the Cowboys will also interview, likely next week. Not sure how I feel about it, Bada probably knows more about him than me.

    And the other name has a higher profile, Brian Kelly, HC of Notre Dame, is also another guy the Bucs will try to interview. So far, he hasn't said anything about considering moving to the NFL (or the other way around), so the Bucs are interested. Not sure about him. But Kelly is definitely a guy I'd like.
     
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    George Edwards interviewed already, and now Bucs insiders say the Bucs are ready to name their new coach no later than Tuesday.

    If that's the case, I've got to think Arians is the choice. And if I'm right, even tho I like Arians a lot (and he might be the best available for Tampa), we can't really expect him to coach more than two or three years, due to age and several health issues he's had. Which is not an ideal situation, because the Bucs are not ready to be a contender right now, far from it...

    Guess we won't have to wait too long to know.
     
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    Arians interviewed yesterday and Kris Richard will do today. And so ends the coaching search... now it's a matter of just waiting to see who gets the job in a few days.
     
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    Wow. Even making it look more and more like a done deal (or as close as I've ever seen one), the Bucs have put Arians through a physical and have made his doctors part of the interview process.

    I've never seen something like that when choosing a HC, but I guess it's important considering Arians past health issues. It should be announced at some point this week.

    Btw, to make things clear, I think Bruce is the best coach available in the market. I'm just worried because of his age and health, and the fact that (allegedly) his wife doesn't want him to coach any longer. I'm terrified we can get one or two good seasons out of him and then back to the drawing board again.

    But he is, by far, the best option in the market, and I'd be more than happy with him.
     
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    And the f*cking Bucs did it again... I'm, once again, hyped for next season. We've got a real NFL coach this time! Our first real one since we fired Gruden! :cool:

    (Not true, I liked Lovie, but the team got scared that they might have lost Koetter to some HC vacancy back in the day and promoted him, firing Lovie, who at least was getting the defense back to a real NFL level... look how well that changed worked out).

    Bruce Arians is the new Bucs HC!!! And he comes with gifts, like Todd Bowles as our new DC.

    I liked Bowles a lot when he was running the D in Arizona. That defense was aggressive, blitzing often, trying to get to the QB and confuse the offense as much as possible with different looks. So he failed in NY, but he can't have forgotten how to run a defense. Might be a Koetter case, a guy that can be a good coordinator but who has trouble as a HC. Don't know, but I like the signing. Arians also comes with several of his assistants in Arizona (Goodwin, Leftwich, the secondary coach...). He had his staff ready and willing to sign with the Bucs as soon as he did.

    What I like the most about this deal is that BA is honest (to the point of being brash, but I'll take it any day over a sleazy bastard that won't get the job done, and we've had plenty of those), a great coach (no bad coach is a two-time COY) and brings with him a culture change we really needed.

    It can also be argued that this offense might be the best he's ever had. The defense needs a lot of work, and we need at least a couple new starters in the O-line (and let's see what happens with the running game, because Ronald Jones looked like a colossal bust last season), but he's got plenty of pieces to work with.

    He's also said that he thinks the former staff was "ruining Jameis". Not sure how true that statement is, because Jameis was the one having the turnovers, but I guess we'll see...

    Oh, and, even tho the NFL said there wouldn't be any compensation, the f*cking Cards requested one, so we had to swap late picks with them (our sixth for their seventh). Not a big deal, but seems like a petty move by Arizona.

    No idea yet on the deal, because I've read it's going to be 4 years in several sites and 5 in a few others. In any case, the last one is an option.

    As I pointed above, health and how Arians manages his stress is going to be a deal going forward, but so far, so good. I really, really like him as a HC.

    So next season promises to be a fun one. Let's hope that, finally, the Bucs are back on track. Football can't come back soon enough!
     
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    i do like this hiring, just hope Arians has a lot in the tank still. He definitely has an infections personality.
     
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    So the Bears tried to sign Bowles to be their new DC before he signed with the Bucs, once they knew Fangio was leaving for Denver... thankfully, Bowles rejected them, as he had already told Arians he was going with him to run Tampa's defense.

    Loved BA's presser, how he talked about team first, accountability and everybody doing their job so teammates have an easy time doing theirs... so pumped for next season!!! That's what happens when you have a real coach on your team. It's been a while in Tampa!

    Oh, and he also sent a veiled message to a former Bucs coach when he talked about not being the kind of guy that needs to sleep on his office... Gruden was famous during his Bucs days (not sure if he still does it, but it wouldn't surprise me) for staying late in his office and sometimes even sleeping there.
     

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