How About an NFC South thread?

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  1. TMC

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    The Bears D is scary. They are one of the teams I follow and Trubisky is still not ready to carry the team (particularly when he has to change the play because the defense does something unexpected... he's just awful adjusting on the fly), and that's why they're not yet a contender, but the defense is scary. Can rush the passer, can stop the run, can create turnovers... They need to stay healthy, because they don't have much talent in their backups, but the Bears D is playing very well and will keep improving.

    I think the Steelers game is winnable, but the Bears is going to be a really tough matchup for him and our o-line.
     
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    Well, time to talk about MNF now that I've digested the defeat...

    - Fitz came back to earth, yeah, but he still had a pretty good game except for one awful, terrible quarter. If the defense had done a better job, we still would have won the game. With this I mean that I think Fitz deserves to keep the starting spot vs the Bears. He played a great second half rallying the Bucs and trying to come back into the game, and we were close to winning the game. That, and his first two weeks, matter. He should keep the starting job.

    - Passing game remains amazing. I don't know if there's a roster in the NFL with so many options in the passing game. There are better offenses, of course, but the amount of weapons the Bucs have is tremendous. Mike Evans is unstoppable this season, DeSean Jackson is being much more of a deep threat than last year (and that's a good thing, because that's his game), Chris Godwin looks like he's going to be very important for the Bucs in the future and already having a good season (despite a couple of key drops in this game) and Cam Brate and OJ Howard are the best TE combo in the NFL. You gotta give credit to Litch for this group.

    - I don't know what happens with the running game. Ronald Jones is not even active (he had an awful preseason, Shaun Wilson beat him for his spot in the team) and Payton Barber has looked good at times, but he's not used much. And it matters, because clock management was awful vs the Steelers, and that contributed to our defeat. We should have run the clock in the second quarter, not trying to pass quick and fast at the end of it, which, after an incomplete by Fitz, allowed the Steelers to have a final drive that ended in a TD.

    - The D-line, even without Beau Allen and Vita Vea, is much improved from last year. JPP is having a very good season and defenses aren't able to focus on McCoy like in previous seasons. We're putting pressure on the QB again. The LB corps are led by two great, great players in Kwon and Lavonte, but there's no depth behind them. Let's hope Beckwith can come back at some point and make an impact, because we really can use him.

    - If there's a reason we lost this game, it's not the turnovers (they're another reason as well, don't get me wrong), but the secondary. We can't stop anybody. And if we can't fix that, it's going to be very, very hard to compete for the playoffs. Carlton Davis and Justin Evans look good, but they need help. Also, I can't believe we're not even considering signing Eric Reid now that Conte has gone to IR, choosing a former Giants backup instead of him.


    Now we're off to Chicago. It's going to be a really tough game because the Bears defense, thanks to a great coordinator and Mack, it's really, really great, among the best in the league. At the same time, if you put consistent pressure on Trubisky, he might throw the game away, so it's winnable. The schedule is going to get easier after this game, but it's not going to be the same going 3-1 or 2-2, so it's really a key game for the Bucs season. Can't wait. And I really, really hope Fitz keeps starting. He's earned it.
     
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    The Chiefs have more weapons.
     
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    I don't think so. I'd still take our skill guys over theirs. They have a better QB and a better system, that's for sure. And a better running game and o-line, although I'm only considering the passing game. But, guy for guy, I'd still take ours. They have nobody else with a skillset like Mike Evans.

    I might be a homer, but I think the biggest difference is the system and how well Mahomes is playing. Not the WRs/TEs of each team.
     
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    The thing that makes it easy on Mahomes is the weapons. Tyreek Hill is what Desean Jackson used to be. I'll give you a big upgrade of Evans over Watkins. But i put Hunt far ahead of your backs, and i put Kelce above the 2 TE's you mentioned.
     
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    Lol, last season TMC was done with the Bucs and looking for a new team. Now Tampa has the best offense in the NFL.

    I get it, it's part of why I love the NFL so much! I am not too pleased with my 0-3 Raiders right now. But they really should be 2-1. if they can stop falling apart in the 4th qtr, they may be a good team.
     
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    Again, I didn't say we have the best offense, far from it. Just the best collection of weapons on the passing game. It's not the same.

    Our QB situation is a constant unknown, our running game is non-existent and our o-line is average. And still we're gaining 400+ yards with our receivers in every game. So I think that means they're pretty good.

    Also, other teams have a better offensive scheme in place, and that's just a fact. We're winning and doing great despite Koetter's system (and because Todd Monken took over play-calling duties and is a lot more vertical than Koetter, which suits our guys better).

    I truly believe that, as a group, there's no better arsenal of weapons in the passing game in the entire NFL. Of course, once Fitz comes back to earth, Jameis starts collecting turnovers and if our running game stays as pedestrian as it looks right now, it might not matter at all.
     
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    Well, we're playing like sh*t. And it's not the receivers fault, because other than a drop by Evans, they've done a decent job getting open and running their routes. But the Bears D is playing really well, putting a lot of pressure on Fitz. And the o-line, particularly on the right side, looks like sh*t and Fitz is playing poorly as well, inaccurate and rushed, with Bears players on his face or not.

    The defense is terrible, even worse than the boxscore shows. JPP showed up to play, everybody else decided to stay in Tampa.

    So an extremely poor outing by the offense and a defense that decided to not show up brings us here, to the worst first half in the history of the Tampa Bay Bucs. And that wasn't an easy milestone to reach...

    Let's hope Jameis plays the second half and at least gets some reps with the starters. The Fitzmagic experience is over.
     
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    F*ck. That is all.

    I'm a Bears fan now.
     
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    I was wrong on the amount of turnovers... but maybe that's because he got pulled.
     
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    Jameis did the rest, don't worry.
     
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    Ali Marpet signs a five-year, $55 million (with $27 million guaranteed) extension with the Bucs.

    It was a no-brainer, as Ali's been our best o-lineman since the day he was drafted and is one of the top guards in the entire NFL. If that means there's no money to keep Donovan Smith or Kwon, those are replaceable. And there's also the fact that Jameis extension will be coming if he plays well the rest of the season...

    There are going to be changes in Tampa next year, particularly if the defense keeps playing so poorly. At least we're getting our key young guys signed long term.
     
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    Bucs vs Falcons today, with the season on the line for both teams. Should be, at least, an entertaining one, because both teams have good offenses and both defenses suck (theirs because they have had a ton of injuries, ours because... we simply suck).
     
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    Ok, I'm done. Not a single Bucs game again til Mike Smith gets fired. This is embarrassing. Can't cover for shit, can't tackle, can't do nothing right on defense.

    The offense is doing their part (even tho we've already got the typical Jameis throw that ends in an int), but you can't win in this league with the worst defense in the league. And Koetter seems to not be able to fire Smith, because he probably thinks he owes him, or something like that. What a f*cking disaster of a unit, getting worse with each week.
     
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    u have your wish TMC, as I am sure you already know. Smith fired this morning.
     
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    Smith is gone!!! Smith is gone!!!

    Rumors around the Bucs is that the Glazers forced Koetter to chose between firing Smith or be fired himself, but Smith was gone no matter what. Koetter, of course, says it's his decision only, but that's not what people are saying in Tampa. Guess it's only natural.

    Koetter also says it's the second hardest thing he had to do, because Mike and him are friends, but then again, maybe you shouldn't have let friendship decide who to choose for a DC position... One thing is clear: the Bucs defense were allowing 34 points per game and allowing more than 460 yards per game. You can't expect to win consistently with that kind of historically inept defense.

    The LBs coach, Mark Duffner, will take over as DC. I would have rather see Brentson Buckner running the defense, but it's natural that Duffner is the choice, because he's got experience as the Bengals DC.
     
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    I did not know Brenston Buckner was a coach.. loved him on the Niners D line, and he was a damn good player with Carolina.
     
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    Yeah, he's our d-line coach and I'd say he's doing a good job. JPP is having a great season, and the run defense is good. The secondary and the lack of coverage skills of Kwon Alexander (along with our overall defensive schemes) are the problems of our defense, but I'm happy with the d-line prowess under Buckner.

    Seems like a guy that likes to push his players and get the best of them. Not exactly a players coach, but it's an approach that I like a lot for a NFL line coach coming to a situation like Tampa where the d-line has been terrible for so long.
     
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    Fuck Jameis and fuck my life. Just hope Koetter, Litch and everybody else gets fired at the end of the season and the new coach (whoever it is, preferably a defensive one) makes a point of not keeping Jameis or not signing with Tampa. It's been three consecutive turnovers (one of them not his fault, granted) and he's looking more inaccurate than ever. Not to mention that Fitz distributed the ball better, because Jameis focuses on certain guys and ignores the rest of the field. It's not a surprise DeSean Jackson's stats look like shit since Jameis took over. Gone from Fitzmagic to Fitztragic, and with Fitz on the bench, no less...

    The defense wasn't playing bad today (and I say wasn't because the Browns just scored a TD), but they can bail out the offense whenever Jameis fucks up. We're talking about one of the worst secondaries in the league, so expecting them to beat teams for us is not exactly realistic.


    In short: this is not a pro team. It's a fucking circus. And I don't care if we end up winning the fucking game. It's that bad.

    Free Fitz!!!!
     
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    Well, that was the most embarrassing win in the history of football. We did everything we could to lose this game, and only won because the Browns are the worst coached team in the league. Catanzaro missed an easy field goal just to hit an impossible one, so that's great, and good enough to beat the Browns in a game that should have been over by halftime. But Jameis did everything he could to lose the game, time and time again.

    I hate Jameis and I'm seriously considering not watching a single Bucs game until he's out of Tampa. Then again, I might not watch a game for the next decade, knowing how stupid our front office and coaches are. He should be replaced by Fitz and cut after pulling something like this again. But it's not gonna happen. Most likely, he'll get extended, we'll be a 6-win for the next decade and I'll end up hating football forever.
     

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