How About an NFC South thread?

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  1. xbay

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    I read that Drew Brees got one other offer that was larger than what the Saints offered. I wonder who that was.
     
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    Minny. 5 more million per season than he's making in New Orleans, but I haven't heard anything about the number of years.

    Still decided to remain a Saint. Love Brees and what he means to the city of New Orleans. Great, great guy.
     
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    And Trent Murphy is gone, as he's finally going to sign with the Bills.

    Bucs are looking at... Adrian Clayborn, whom we drafted and let go a few years back. A guy that had 9.5 sacks last season, 6 of them in the same game. That's how bad the DE pool is in free agency. They're also talking to E.J. Gaines and Morris Claiborne. At least they realize DE and CB are weak links.

    Keith Tandy has been, once again, re-signed. Happens every offseason. No news here.

    Beau Allen's deal is for 3 years, $15 million. Not great value, but I've seen worse this offseason...
     
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    Bucs signed Mitch Unrein (who?... yeah, exactly), Chandler Catanzaro (had a pretty decent season last year with the Jets... hopefully he fixes our kicking problem long term. I liked Patrick Murray, really accurate guy, but doesn't have a great leg. Guess that's why they went after Catanzaro).

    Alex Okafor is visiting the Bucs. I'd like to add him, but he had an achilles injury last year, they're probably checking his recovery as well.

    Clinton McDonald remains a free agent, and that's weird. He played really well for us last year. Would have liked to re-sign him more than some of the guys that have signed already.

    Tyrann Mathieu has been linked to the Bucs as well, but I don't see it. Not with the kind of contract he's looking for.
     
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    I'm loving this Beau Allen guy... 2015, Beau's rookie year. Bucs had their biggest win of the season at the Linc, 45-17 over the Eagles, with Jameis throwing for 5 TDs and no ints and playing the best game of his pro career (so far). Beau leaves thinking "these guys are pretty good". Says helped him decide to join the Bucs.

    Guess it's a good thing he hasn't followed us more closely since that day... :D:D
     
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    And... Okafor is gone. Signed with the Saints, 2 years, $10 million (if he meets several incentives). He also gets to stay home, so it's understandable.

    And... Ryan Jensen is meeting with the Colts. He said he had given his word to Indy that he would visit them, decision coming after the visit.

    And... Bucs fans are about to riot in the streets, because, if anything, we've gotten worse in this offseason.

    And... why the f*ck is Eric Reid not signed? Or at least visiting somebody?
     
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    Reid believes that he’s being blocked out by ownership, not GMs for his political stance last season. He cited GMs know his talent, but owners don’t like what he did so they’re telling their GMs to not sign him.

    Would love to see him back in SF, but they’ve been public on investing on their depth as they have a lot of guys capable. Reid played well in the box, but they’re not going to pay the kitchen sink for him.
     
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    Yeah, I read that just after posting it...

    And I guess there's some truth to that. At least, some owners sure act that way. Including the Glazers. It's too much of a coincidence that we really need a guy like Eric Reid and he doesn't even get a call... while the Glazers are raising funds for Trump all over Florida.


    Oh, well... at least I'm happy. We've signed Ryan Jensen, which is a huge deal for everybody. Our O-line gets much better and Jense gets much richer. We've obviously overpayed, but that's how you get good players in free agency. Losing teams rarely get bargains.

    From now on, there are two possibilities:

    Dream Scenario - Bucs sign Eric Reid to a one-year deal and Vinny Curry long term, allowing them to go to the draft with less needs.

    Most Likely Scenario - Bucs save money and sign some other guy(s) for depth, going into the draft with pressing needs at CB/SS/RB and not having the "luxury" of being able to pick the best available players.

    But, at least, I'm happy with the Jensen signing. I watched a few Ravens games last year and this guy is nasty, right what we needed on our line.
     
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    And Vinny Curry is a Buc!!! Oh, the joy of having a Curry in all my teams... :eek::D

    But I'm happy with this signing. 3 years, $27 million, 11.5 guaranteed. I've read that the deal is more like $23 million plus lots of incentives, tho...

    And it's a big improvement. He's easily our best pass rusher (and he only had 3 sacks last year, but playing as part of a rotation and had a big number of QB pressures, something none of our starters couldn't manage) and is also active against the run. If Spence stays healthy (big if, he has missed extended time both seasons he's been in the NFL) we should have a decent pass rush. We shouldn't stop here, but at least the need is greatly diminished and we won't be forced to take a DE early in the draft if there are better players available. Not reaching is a good thing!!!

    Only bad part is that we had to release Ayers to make it work. I liked Ayers, he's been a real pro, always acting like a mentor for younger players, and can still play. But age (will be 33 next season) and injuries have taken a toll. Still, sad to see him go. I wish we could sign him back to a cheaper deal. If not, I think he can still play a couple of years as a backup for a good team. And he's one of those guys that looks like he can get into coaching once his career is over.



    Now, if we could only sign Eric Reid and focus on the draft already... Not gonna happen, tho. Glazers won't allow it.
     
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    Holy crap. Bucs have traded for Jason Pierre-Paul. Bucs get JPP and swap 4th rounders with NY, and the Giants get the Bucs 3rd rounder. I certainly LOVE this deal. We get a proven player at a position of huge need and, while it cost us a 3rd round pick, we now have the Giants 4th rounder, which is almost a late 3rd.

    JPP is going to be a huge help to our revamped d-line. Our starters will be JPP and Vinny Curry on the edges and Beau Allen and McCoy inside, with Noah Spence and Gholston/Unrein coming from the bench. Our d-line just went from a liability to a strength.

    It may backfire, but it's the best trade I've seen the Bucs make in... I don't know, since we got Gruden at least. Huge move that really puts the Bucs back as a contender for next year's playoffs. JPP is already the most talented edge rusher the Bucs have had since Simeon Rice. #TrustTheProcess

    As for the Giants, they're moving to a hybrid defense with the 3-4 as their basis, and JPP doesn't exactly fit. And they get a huge cap relief and a 3rd round pick.

    It also has the potential of changing our board a lot for the draft, at least in terms of needs. Now we can go S/CB/RB with our first picks (unless Nelson falls). Could even trade down and get back that third rounder (and maybe something else, pending on who's trading for us). It could be interesting if Chubb falls to seven, but I really doubt that happens... Still, if for some reason it happens, take Chubb. You can never have enough good rushers.

    But, if I had to bet, I'd say the Bucs are focusing on Derwin James (assuming Nelson, Chubb and Barkley won't be available at #7) and Derrius Guice with their first two picks. Might even have to trade up to secure Guice.
     
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    JPP...nice move!
     
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    Best part of the deal is that is a safe one. JPP doesn't have any money guaranteed after this year, so if he doesn't work out, we can cut him without any further investment.

    Well, yeah, the third we sent to the Giants, but better to try to get something out of JPP than using that pick in another Roberto Aguayo... Litch has been pretty hit-and-miss in the draft so far. Last year's draft is looking pretty good with maybe four starters coming from the it, other year's wasn't so good...
     
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    Time for another "State of the Bucs" post, now that free agency is almost over. We can add a low level free agent or two, but that's about it, and it won't change the general outlook of the team. So, without further ado:

    QB - Jameis Winston/Ryan Fitzpatrick/Ryan Griffin: We're set here. I mean, Winston is starting unless he's injured. Problem is, he's not totally reliable... But he's got a ton of weapons, an improved O-Line and, allegedly, an improved defense. He's also on a contract year, because the team is already considering extending him after next season. He's got to be more careful with the ball and improve his accuracy on long throws. But we're set here, and considering the amount of good starting QBs in the league, we can count ourselves lucky.

    FB - Austin Johnson: Good blocker, not much else. Guess it's his job, because we don't have anybody else on the team to play FB. It's also a position we don't use too much since... Alstott. It's been a while.

    RB - Peyton Barber/Jaquizz Rodgers: We need help here. Barber did a good job last year, but is still unproven. Quizz is a change of pace back, can't count on him carrying the ball every down. We've got to add somebody, most likely in the draft.

    WR - Mike Evans/DeSean Jackson/Chris Godwin/Adam Humphries/Bobo Wilson/Freddie Martino: A position of need for a long time is now a position of riches. Our top three WRs could start for almost any team in the NFL, and Evans is one of the most dominant players at his position (not to mention my favorite Buc since Mr. Derrick Brooks). Our 4th receiver would get plenty of snaps for most teams as well. As a group, it's a great unit. So also set here.

    TE - Cam Brate/O.J. Howard/Alan Cross/Antony Auclair: Again, another position of strength. Brate is not a good blocker, but he's a great catcher, and a huge red zone weapon. OJ Howard can really block and is as explosive as it gets. We're gonna run plenty of 2 TEs sets. Alan Cross is also a good blocker, and has played that role as a FB before. Auclair is an undrafted guy that has a lot of potential. Another great group.

    O-Line: Donovan Smith/JR Sweezy/Ryan Jensen/Ali Marpet/Demar Dotson, with Evan Smith/Caleb Benenoch/Leonard Wester from the bench: Two great players inside in Jensen and Marpet. A very solid, albeit getting up there in age, RT in Dotson. A tremendously talented but inconsistent LT in Smith. A below average guard in Sweezy and a very average bench, with only Benenoch having any chance of improving (and that's not saying much). We've certainly improved our line with Jensen's signing, which also helps because Marpet moves back to guard. But we could improve that line, and I think a 4th or 5th rounder will be invested in a good lineman, most likely a guard to replace Sweezy, this season or the next.

    D-Line: JPP/Gerald McCoy/Beau Allen/Vinny Curry, with Noah Spence/Mitch Unrein/Will Gholston/Will Clarke/Stevie Tu´ikolovatu/Devonte Lambert/Channing Ward as backups: We probably won't bring all those guys into our regular season roster, but they're all signed because some of our guys are pretty . But it's a deep and productive line if everybody stays healthy. We've focused our offseason on the d-line, trying to improve our performance both stopping the run and getting to the QB, and I think Litch did a good job. We're much, much better than last season, and defenses now won't be able to focus so much on McCoy. It's a good unit, imho.

    LBs: Lavonte David/Kwon Alexander/Kendall Beckwith, with Adarius Glanton/Devante Bond/Cameron Lynch and Riley Bullough as backups. The starters are great, the backups not so much, so we better get some luck with injuries, because when Kwon went down last season, the defense almost went down with him.

    CBs: Brent Grimes/Vernon Hargreaves/Javien Elliot/Ryan Smith: Grimes is getting old, but is still an above average starter. I liked Hargreaves a lot when he played in the slot, but he's been burned often when playing outside. Elliot has talent and deserves more snaps. Smith has been a disappointmet so far. We NEED help here, and I expect a first or second rounder to be invested on a CB, probably another later.

    SS: Chris Conte/Keith Tandy: None of them are great, but both are useful. Tandy lacks speed and size, but he's got good hands, good tackling technique and great instincts. Conte is an average safety. We can certainly improve here, and Derwin James is a real option in the draft. I'd love to sign Vaccaro or Reid to a one-year deal, but, let's be honest, it's not gonna happen...

    FS: Justin Evans/Isiah Johnson: Lots of people thought Evans wasn't ready to play last season and he did well. Great range, good hands, was a better tackler than people expected. If he keeps improving, he's going to be a long time starter for us.

    K: Chandler Catanzaro. Patrick Murray did a decent job last year, but he doesn't have a strong leg, and that's why the team signed Catanzaro. Let's hope it fixes our kicking problem, because Matt Bryant was the last reliable kicker the Bucs had, and we let him go.

    P: Bryan Anger. No issue here, Anger is one of the top punters in the league. One of the richest as well, as he makes quite a bit of change compared to other punters... but he's reliable at least.

    So we've got needs at RB/CB/S heading in the draft, and probably will add another player to the o-line as well. Names we've been linked with are Derrius Guice at RB and Derwin James at S (and the usual suspects, Chubb, Nelson and Barkley, but I don't see any of them falling to #7). I'd love to add Denzel Ward as well, but I'd rather not take Fitzpatrick that high. Here's hoping we fill at least two of those needs withing the top two rounds and we go BPA from them on.

    In short, this team is much improved and, if healthy and if Winston plays more controlled, should have a chance to compete for the playoffs. But a chance is far from a certainty, because the NFC South is really, really tough.
     
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    Well, so we traded down to #12, got two second round from the Bills picks and still were in position to take our guy... and Litch takes Vita Vea!!! For f*cks sake!!!

    I mean, I've got nothing against Vea, I like him, has a lot of potential and might have a good NFL career, but our secondary is utter trash, the worst in the NFL, and we had a chance to take Derwin James and a CB in the second round and maybe fix it that way.

    So our D-Line, that has gone from a liability to a strength, better finds plenty of ways to get to the QB, because our secondary is a disaster and might not get that much better (even tho we could still use a couple of picks there).

    So, for the second day, we've three second rounders, one early and two late. I'm thinking we've got to take a RB early, basically because, after the Seahawks and Pats took RBs late in the first, the only two I like are Guice (love him, he's a "Beast Mode" lite kind of guy, but got the feeling the Colts love him as well and they've got two picks right above ours) and Nick Chubb. We've got to take one of them. If they want to take somebody else early and wait, maybe Ronad Jones could be an option, but there's a drop in talent, imho.

    With the other two second rounders, we have needs at S, CB and the O-Line, and we've got not enough picks for all those. Good options would be Justin Reid (I like him a lot, he's the second best safety in this class after James, but I doubt he'll be available if we don't take him with our first second rounder), Donte Jackson (don't like him as much as other CBs, but hey, if you wanted a good one, you better take him early), Josh Jackson (most likely gone at the top of the second round)... other options would be Ronnie Harrison or Jessie Bates III, but there's a lot of drop in talent.


    So here's hoping we get Guice, Reid or Chubb with our second rounder and at least we get a sure thing to improve our team. Then we'll just have to wait and see who's available. There's good talent available, just not as good as taking James in the first.

    Then again, on the positive side, our D-Line now has GMC and Vita Vea inside, with JPP and Vinnie Curry from the edges, and Noah Spence, Beau Allen, Mitch Unrein, Will Gholston and Stevie Tui'kolovatu as backups. It's certainly a strength right now. Let's hope the rest of the draft makes up for not taking James in the first.

    I think I'm leaning towards taking Reid (if available) with our first second round pick and see who's there at RB later... Too much of a drop in talent at safety if not.
     
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    I hear ya on Vea... I too would be disappointed if my team passed on James given it is such a big need. That being said, you will love Vea. He EATS double teams. He will make everyone on that line better. He is best with a good rotation as he can wear down a bit. Going to miss him greatly at U-Dub
     
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    I'm happy with Vea. It's more a matter of having utter trash in the secondary, and that's why I'm pissed about the pick. If not, I think it's great value to trade down, get two additional picks and still be able to take a guy that could have gone even higher.
     
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    Well, the second day didn't go as I expected regarding the names we drafted, but it did cover most of our positions of need. Let's go pick by pick:

    2a.- Ronald Jones. I like him a lot. I liked Guice better, but he kept falling, mostly out of immaturity concerns (that's a bunch of bull, and I think Guice is going to prove it to those that took RBs above him). But Jones is a good RB, with great speed and vision. I had him as my 4th favorite RB in the draft with Penny (With Barkley first, Guice second and Nick Chubb also above them). So it's a good pick, although Guice would have been my preference.

    2b.- M.J. Stewart. A CB in college, most likely moving to safety in the NFL. A very physical kid with great awareness and a good tackler. Probably could have been taken a bit later, but hey, if they like him and fits a need...

    2c.- Carlton Davis. Another physical corner (and Davis will stay at CB) and a guy that's gonna get plenty of game time early, imho. I think the idea is that, once (and if) he develops, Hargreaves moves inside to the nickel position, where he's been pretty decent. We're most likely taking another CB early next year to replace Grimes...

    3.- Alex Cappa. I love this pick. Cappa is a mauler that loves throwing guys around. I never thought he'd be around this late, had him pegged as a late second rounder. Still raw, but a much needed pick. Sweezey's time is almost over in Tampa!


    All those guys will most likely compete for playing time and will be contributors early on, so I'm kinda happy with our draft. We really needed it. We could have taken other guys (Derwin James, Guice, Josh Jackson...), but I'm happy with our bounty. If they all develop nicely, it's going to be a great draft.
     
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    I like Jones better than Chubb and Guice. Good pick
     
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    Well, one thing is certain, Jones is a much better fit next to Peyton Barber than Guice would be, as Barber and Guice share a similar running style.

    Not gonna post much about our day three picks because I think we wasted all three.

    Ok, I'll do it, but you already know how I feel...

    Jordan Whitehead.- We needed a safety badly, and he's a safety (or a hybrid DB, at least). And that's about it. Athletic, but undersized. Good in coverage, not great production in college. Lack of size makes him a liability in run support. Oh, and he's Darrelle Revis' cousin, so he's got someone to tell him how the get out of Tampa fast. I understand taking a safety, but with Kyzir White available, I don't understand taking Whitehead. But hey, at least, fits a big need. Hope he develops nicely and can be a serviceable backup.

    Justin Watson.- Very typical Litch pick. Small school WR, big body, productive, decent hands, had a great pro day that put him on several teams' radar. Problem is, he's most likely our 6th WR, maybe he could beat Bobo Wilson for the 5th WR spot on the depth chart. A luxury pick (even tho it's the 5th round, so the impact is minimized).

    Jack Cichy.- This one I like. Kept falling due to a torn ACL that forced him to miss his last 20 college games, but was a playmaker and a sure tackler. Great instincts and quickness. He's certainly not explosive and has injury concerns, but as a low risk 6th round pick, I really like him.


    So biggest question now may be why we signed Beau Allen to a $15 million deal in order to make him a backup by drafting Vita Vea...

    Oh, well. The team had a good offseason and improved a lot via free agency and the draft, so we should be better next year. Good enough to make the playoffs? Who knows with the Bucs... We've been here before just to go back to the top of the draft, so we'll have to remain cautiously optimistic for now.
     
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    The f*cking Panthers have made a great move by signing C.J. Anderson. McCaffrey needs a change of pace back, and Anderson is a cheap and proven one. So... f*ck.

    In other news, seems like the Bucs are considering an extension for GM Jason Litch. I kind of like the job he's done, although he's had his share of mistakes, who doesn't in today's NFL? Point is, he's added a ton of talent to the team, including several undrafted guys that are now cornerstones of the team (like Cam Brate) and if this draft pans out as expected, he'll get his deserved extension. I don't feel the same way regarding Koetter and Mike Smith, tho... coaching has been an issue the last decade and it's not getting any better.
     

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