How About an NFC South thread?

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  1. TMC

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    Sick and tired of the f*cking Bucs. Rooting for the Saints the rest of the way. Guess the best part is I can keep posting in this thread... :cool:

    And it's weird, I never, ever thought about switching teams during the bad decades of Warriors basketball. But I'm more than willing to leave the Bucs behind. Guess the first love is the one that lasts... :D
     
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    Stick with em TMC, eventually you guys will be eating so many W's.
     
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    F*cking Derrick Brooks... I wouldn't be a miserable Bucs fan if not for him...
     
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    Bucs reatining Koetter for next season.


    F*ck. That's all I can think of right now...

    Hopefully he'll have to hire a new a new DC (because, frankly, Smith's D sucked big time this year, and injuries are not an excuse, because the backups played better than the starters more often than not). But I really doubt we're going to have a big name signing with Koetter going into thin ice next season...

    Still, I'm really disappointed we're not going to have a chance to go after Jon Gruden, Jim Schwartz, Josh McDaniels and Matt Patricia. Pretty sure at least three of them will sign elsewhere this year. And all of them would have been HUGE improvements over "Dirk Gently".

    And as I know Bada thinks I'm crazy for wanting to change coaches again... I really want to have a coach that lasts more than a couple of seasons, and would be willing to keep a guy after a losing season or two. But not Koetter. There have been tons of coaching issues with this team. I'd love to sing Schwartz to a five year deal, and keep him four years no matter what. Ditto for any of the others names mentioned above. Just don't trust Koetter. Problem is not keeping a guy that's losing, problem is hiring someone worth keeping. Since we fired Gruden, our coaches have been Raheem, Schiano, Lovie and Koetter. Not a great record, you could say...

    PS: Pretty sure the Glazers are not firing him this year because they're sick and tired of paying coaches that don't work for the franchise any longer. They'll say it's for Winston's development, but I don't believe it for a second.
     
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    Quick take on the Bucs season: we sucked.

    The team was, on paper at least, ready to take the next step and become a playoff team. Not a contender, but at least a team that makes the playoffs as a wildcard. But we've only been able to win one game vs divisional rivals (the latter vs the Saints, and it's more like the Saints lost it with their mistakes) and have had a pretty bad season overall, both on offense (bad playcalling, injuries, lack of depth) and defense (basically lack of talent, but Grimes' injury woes didn't help).

    So we're heading into the offseason with clear needs. Namely, a couple new RBs (Doug Martin should be replaced already, and the only guy that performed well enough to keep his spot would be Payton Barber) and o-line depth on offense (a new LT, move Donovan Smith to LG, and look for a new RT because Dotson is getting old in dog years).

    And, on defense, we have a big problem. We need pass rushers. We need CBs. We could use another safety or two. Basically, we need everything except LBs. And we might lose some of our guys. Grimes played really well this past two seasons, but he's on the wrong side of 30 (and will be a free agent). And the rest of our CBs, Hargreaves included, pretty much suck. Evans, the rookie, showed promise at FS. Everybody else sucks (yes, even TJ Ward, who looked awful and slow this year, nobody expected him to play so poorly). Noah Spence shows upside, but can't stay healthy. Ayers is good, but also getting old. Every other DE on the roster sucks (I like Gholston, great guy, great motor, but strictly a run stopper, doesn't do sh*t on passing downs, that's not his game). And at DT, McCoy and McDonald are good, but we don't have quality depth, which hurts because both are injury prone.

    And don't get me started on our kickers, please, just don't...

    So, we're keeping Koetter (and he's gonna keep calling all the plays on offense, he's already said so). We have an erratic QB that can lead the NFL in QB rating for three straight weeks and become the worst QB in the game the next three. We have a ton of good WRs and TEs (hey, this roster still has some good talent, it's not like we're the Browns). And we have some talent on defense, but not nearly enough to have a good unit because we lack playmakers at the two key spots of a defense, DE and CB. Oh, and a DC that looked overmatched for the whole year (actually, the defense looked to be improved during the second half of last season, but has regressed a lot since then), but Koetter has already said he wants to keep Mike Smith as our DC. After the Bucs D ended dead last in the whole NFL. Guess what has been the worst trait of Koetter's tenure in Tampa? Inability to adapt and change. Go figure...

    Next season looks like it's going to be interesting in Tampa, as both Koetter's and Litch's positions seem to be on the line.
     
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    I knew you would not give up on the Bucs TMC. The NFL can be so painful when your team dissapoints you year after year after year. The last time the Raiders won the Super Bowl was 1983, I was 13 years old...love hate.
     
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    I'm about to. Following this franchise has been a maddening experience for the last decade. And the fact that our fans are mostly fairweather fans (not all of them, granted, but a lot) makes it even worse. The Raiders have Raider Nation, other franchises like the Seahawks, Steelers, Chicago, New Orleans or Philly have great fanbases... Meanwhile, we got more Steelers jerseys into the stands when Pittsburgh (and plenty of other teams) comes to Tampa than our own. And that hurts.

    And that's been happening for a decade, go figure...
     
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    Wow. The Falcons really surprised me with how committed they were to the running game. Seems like they learned their lessons from last year's SB loss.

    I think it's a safe bet to say that's going to be their gameplan in Philly, considering that it might be a snow-covered game. And I really like their chances, considering Philly will be without Wentz.
     
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    Couldn't be more pissed at the Bucs right. It's just not possible. Koetter just said that our only problems have been back luck with injuries and the kicker spot. There. Nothing else. Hence, he won't make any single change to the coaching staff, because our coaching has been f*cking great (that last half of the sentence is mine, but comes with the territory after the rest).

    And this moron is not only not gonna get fired, nor forced to make changes to the coaching staff. We're on the fourth season of Litch's tenure and we have more pressing needs with each year (purely because few of his picks pan out and all of his free agent signings have been a disaster waiting to happen). Yet nothing happens. I guess the Glazers are sick and tired of paying for people that's been fired from the team, but come on...

    I'm not watching a Bucs game again until we make the playoffs or Koetter gets fired. I can't stand it anymore. One thing is trying to save face, but blaming the players and bad luck as the only reasons to lose, and not hold the coach accountable for it, that's too much. F*ck this.
     
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    Seems like all the openings have been filled already. Vrabel is going to join the Titans, Shurmur will the Giants HC, the Panthers lose Wilks to Arizona (Heck, yeah!), Patricia will coach the Lions (best signing of the year) and seems likely that McDaniels will join the Colts.

    Why do I post this here? Because that means Jim Schwartz might still be an option for the Bucs next year... :cool:
     
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    Guess it's about time to talk about how the Bucs are going to approach an offseason when both Litch's and Koetter's jobs are on the line:

    - First, we've cut Chris Baker (good player, terrible fit... word out of One Buc is that he didn't handle himself seriously at any time, and had several "disencounters" with teammates because of that. Lack of effort at the NFL level is gonna get you cut soon). Also cut Doug Martin. 6 years as a Buc, two great ones, two lost to injuries, 2 disappointing ones. A shame, because he was one of my favorite Bucs, but it didn't work out in the end. Wish him all the best for the rest of his career (except against the Bucs, that is).

    - We've got well over $70 million in cap space this year, enough for the fifth biggest amount in the entire NFL. But Mike Evans is going to sign a monster extension soon, and we also have to extend Ali Marpet, Kwon Alexander, Donovan Smith (I wouldn't, but I'm sure the team will extend him... I just don't trust him at LT, although I think he could become a GREAT guard. Seems like the team believes in him as our LT for the future, tho...) and, in a couple of years, Jameis. So it's not like they can throw money around freely (also, other than Brent Grimes, our free agent signings have been pathetic).

    - Our own free agent list is not a huge one this year. I'd like to bring back Grimes on a cheaper contract (reason: age), Ryan Fitzpatrick on a one-year deal (reason: knows the system and won't play unless Jameis is injured, in which case we're f*cked), Will Clarke (showed some potential at DE, arguably our biggest need), Clinton McDonald (played really well in a rotation with McCoy) and Kevin Pamphile (underrated guy that can play anywhere in the line and not be a liability). Our restricted free agents list has two names that matter, tho: Adam Humphries (slot receiver, reliable hands and really active) and Cam Brate (the best TE in that game whose name you've never heard). Finally, Payton Barber, who led the team in yards even tho he barely played the first two thirds of the season, is an exclusive rights free agent. Other than Brate, nobody else should require a big contract to remain a Buc and all of them can be useful.

    - Free agents to sign: It's a pretty bad year, because the only DE worth signing, DeMarcus Lawrence, is staying with the Cowboys, via a new contract or the franchise tag. I don't trust Ziggy Ansah. Everybody else at DE sucks or is just unproven. Other names I like: Isiah Crowell would be a good signing, probably cheap. Trumaine Jonhson (Rams will go hard after Malcolm Butler, so I guess this is the year Johnson leaves LA) or Kyle Fuller would be big upgrades as well at CB. Would like Eric Reid at S as well. But the biggest position of need, DE, it's almost devoid of reliable talent in free agency, which is a problem.

    - Draft: We've got the 7th pick. And that means we're also out of the range of Bradley Chubb, most likely going to Indy. If he's there, for whatever reason, take him. If not, I don't trust anybody else at DE, and there's a rumor that Buffalo is willing to trade up (they've got two first rounders) in the top 10 in order to take a QB. If they can't trade down, please, take Denzel Ward. Other than Grimes, our CBs all suck. Quenton Nelson is also going to be a great player, but it's tough to pick a guard in the top 10, particularly considering our many needs on defense.



    Oh, well... who am I kidding? We all know what the Bucs will do with their money once free agency starts:

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    Here's hoping for a new coach (and maybe GM) after next season. It's about time to start rebuilding the Bucs.
     
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    Muhammad Wilkerson cut by the Jets.

    Why am I posting it in the NFC South thread? Because I expect the Bucs to go hard after him and try to sign him to a ridiculous contract, as he's the best DE available in free agency, particularly with Ansah being franchised. And that's scary, because he's had a sh*tty season and still is going to get a huge deal just due to scarcity of talent available at his position.

    In another NFC South news, Jonathon Stewart has been cut by the Panthers. Classy guy, even if he's been a Panther his whole career.

    Oh, and in a not-that-shocking kind of move, Mike Glennon has been cut already by the Bears.
     
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    I've heard from a trusted source (a Bucs beat writer that has some real insight into the team plans, or at least as much as it's possible without being part of it) that the Bucs are going to focus on proven vets in free agency, particularly guys that have been to the playoffs and know what it takes to win in the NFL. Right now, two of their main targets are going to be Richard Sherman and Sheldon Richardson.

    Licht's and Koetter's job are on the line this season if the Bucs don't make the playoffs, so it makes a lot of sense to pursue that kind of players. And the Bucs have the advantage of the lack of state taxes in Florida.

    So far, the only move they've made is bringing back Ryan Fitzpatrick, when lots of pundits expected them to try to sign Mike Glennon to be Jameis backup. I like Fitz as a backup and he won two games for us last year. He's a bit trigger happy, but a lot better than Glennon ever has been. So far, so good.

    Also, seems like the Bucs are set on the top three guys on their board: Saquon Barkley, Bradley Chubb and Quenton Nelson. Obviously, only Nelson could be available at #7, and that's far from a certainty, as he could go higher. If he's there, he's going to be the pick. If not, it gets more uncertain, with guys like Minkah Fiztpatrick, Denzel Ward, Marcus Davenport, Harold Landry and Derwin James being considered. I'd love Ward, and would understand Davenport. The rest of the guys would be reach (Landry) or poor fits (Fitzpatrick or James) for our system/needs.
     
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    Mike Evans signs the extension he deserved with the Bucs, keeping him under contract for five more years. Well deserved, and well on his way to be the best offensive weapon Tampa ever had. I'm a huge fan of Evans and couldn't be happier we're keeping him long term.
     
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    Just as expected, the Bucs are throwing money around in order to NOT improve at all from last year's team:

    - Grimes is back, with a one year, $10 million deal. Yeah, it's a f*cking lot of change...
    - Cam Brate is also back. Our #2 TE has just signed a 6 years, $41 million with 18 guaranteed deal...
    - Adarius Glanton is back. Or will be at some point. He's signed, although his leg remains broken.

    Nothing new under the Florida sun...
     
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    Posting it here because I'm a closet Saints fan is it's a NFC South event... Drew Brees back with New Orleans, two-year deal, $50 million, most likely ensuring he ends his career as a Saint. Great guy that went to become the face of the Saints franchise. Everything's more than well deserved.
     
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    Peyton Barber re-signs with the Bucs. One year, just $ 630,000. Can be the bargain of the league. Was our best RB last season, and right now he's the starter.
     
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    Names linked to the Bucs in this free agency: Jerick McKinnon, Beau Allen and Ryan Jensen. Would love to sign Jensen, as that would mean Ali Marpet would move back to his more natural guard spot. The other two guys can be useful without breaking the bank, but I'm guessing Jensen wouldn't come cheap.

    We'd been linked to E.J. Gaines as well , and even tho he's not great, he'd be an improvement for our awful secondary. But I'm not hearing his name as often as the one above...

    The team wants to sign Kwon Alexander, Marpet and Donovan Smith long term. And, in two years, Jameis... hence why they're going to try to save as much cap space as possible. Guess that's why they're not going after any big free agent name.

    This offseason is going to be key, because, picking at #7 in the draft, we won't have that much room to choose. Most of our objectives will be long gone by then... We still might be able to choose a good player (Denzel Ward, please...), but I don't trust Litch at all. Shaky record picking, at best.

    I might be one of the few Bucs fans to say so, but I liked our former GM Mark Dominik at lot more than Litch...
     
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    Considering we're not going to sign anybody that matters, I've been watching vids of possible picks that will be available at #7... and I'm surprised by some projections. For example, after watching Minkah Fitzpatrick, I can't understand why he's so well regarded. I wouldn't take Fitzpatrick before the third round, and he's an unanimous top 10 pick in every draft...

    So here's hoping Barkley, Chubb or Nelson fall to seven (unlikely, although, in certain scenarios, I can see Nelson falling that far), and I'd be happy with Ward, Davenport or Derwin James (particularly Ward... I don't know if I said it before, but I LOVE what I've seem of Denzel Ward).
     
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    Seems like the Bucs are about to sign former Eagle Beau Allen, a huge human being that's really good against the run and a great locker room guy. No idea on the numbers yet, seems like it's going to be a 3 year deal. If it's not a huge amount of money, I approve of this signing.

    In other news, Ryan Jensen will fly to Tampa tonight and has started to follow the Bucs on twitter... Would be a great signing, imho, as he's not only a really good center, but Ali Marpet would then move back to guard. Here's hoping he doesn't leave town without a contract.

    We're also close to signing Trent Murphy, former Redskins OLB that has been a pretty good pass rusher before his latest injury. Problem is, the Pats are just as close as we are...

    Also, the Bucs will have a private workout with LSU RB Derrius Guice today. Second round choice pick? Maybe, but there's a chance he goes as a late first...
     
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