De'Angelo Russell to join Warriors in a sign-and-trade!

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  1. bada

    bada Administrator Staff Member

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    Some details from Windhorst on Durant sign and trade on ESPN

    The Durant sign-and-trade
    For the past three years, the Golden State Warriors have been teased about owner Joe Lacob's quote in the New York Times about the team being "light-years ahead" of its competition. In fairness, the Warriors generally have been ahead of the game, both on the floor and at the ticket office. However, not this time.

    The Brooklyn Nets had enough cap space to sign Kevin Durant outright, and there was no specific advantage for Durant to take part in a sign-and-trade deal to help the Warriors out. Nor was it that great an advantage to Nets free agent D'Angelo Russell, who had other teams, including the Lakers and Minnesota Timberwolves, vying for him, knowing that the Nets would have to make him an unrestricted free agent to complete the Durant signing.

    As a result, there were a series of squeezes put on the Warriors, a position with which they are not at all familiar. First, Durant initially balked at being traded for Russell straight up, multiple sources said. He didn't think it was a fair deal, and in this case, the Warriors had to not just satisfy the Nets, but also Durant.

    Leverage was applied by the player, and Golden State had to include a first-round pick before Durant would agree to sign off. The Warriors begrudgingly gave it up and did so with a heavy condition: If the pick falls within the top 20 next year, they don't have to send it, and instead will only give Brooklyn a second-round pick ... in six years. It's one of the most unusual pick protections the NBA has seen recently.

    Also, the Nets requested that the Warriors take on two players, Shabazz Napier and Treveon Graham, to help clear extra space to sign DeAndre Jordan, who is friends with Durant and new teammate Kyrie Irving. Golden State had to turn around and pay Minnesota $3.6 million to take Napier and Graham off its books.

    Then it was the Memphis Grizzlies' turn. Knowing the Warriors were salary-crunched because the sign-and-trade triggered a hard cap for them, the Grizzlies used leverage when the Warriors needed to move Andre Iguodala off their books.

    Iguodala is still a desired player, and given time to flush out a market, Golden State might have been able to trade him and get back some value and save money. But with no time and few options, the Grizzlies treated Iguodala like he was a toxic asset and made the Warriors give up a lightly protected 2024 first-round pick -- when Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson might be out of their primes -- plus $2 million in cash to take on the last year of the contact.

    When it was done, the Warriors had given up two first-round picks and $5.6 million in cash for the right to sign Russell -- a player they might or might not even end up keeping long term -- to a four-year, $117 million contract.

    It was preferable to losing Durant for nothing, and it might help keep them a contender next season. But after doling out plenty of beatings over the past five years, the Warriors were on the lower ground for a change.
  2. TMC

    TMC Administrator Staff Member

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    And I don't believe a single word. Seems like ESPN clickbait to me.

    Let's check some things...

    Wtf? Why take a cheap shot at a franchise like that? What's the purpose of this whole paragraph?

    Except Minnesota had to make moves to afford that max deal for Russell (and then he had to live in Minnesota... nothing against Minny, I'm sure it's a great place, but it sure ain't like Brooklyn or the Bay Area), and Russell had no certainties at all that he was going to sign a max deal with the Lakers, who were totally, completely focused on signing Kawhi. Yes, he had more options. The mighty Suns.

    So the Warriors come at your door with a f*cking max deal and you're the one that has leverage? Really?

    As for KD, he didn't care. He was going to sign with Brooklyn, it was a matter of what worked better for the teams, and if nothing could be done, he'd sign as a free agent. He had leverage. He also didn't care one way or the other.

    Sure, like he cared about a "fair deal"... So we're the morons he leaves but, hey, we've got to satisfy his demands on the deal.

    More on this stupidity after the next few paragraphs...

    What's unusual about sending a second round pick in six years? We sent our 2026 second round pick to Atlanta on draft night, for f*cks sake. Oh, and the Hawks also have our 2024 second round pick. And we do not have second round picks in 2020, 2021 or 2023. So we had to trade them the 2022 or 2025 second round pick. It's not unusual to send a pick in six years if you've already traded away most of your picks before that time.

    As for leverage, the levarage didn't come from KD, it came from Brooklyn. More on that later.

    So they needed cap space to sign Jordan. Great. And they were the ones that had leverage on us. Great strategic thinking.

    It's true they had some. But we did, too. They also needed to make this move (they would have moved those contracts either way, but probably would have to attach a pick to move them or something... this trade was a gift from heaven for Brooklyn), which is why they accepted the protection we imposed on the pick. It's not such a great protection, btw, because it's only 1-20. If it falls outside of the top 20, they get the pick.

    So, if anything, both teams had "some degree of leverage". KD had none, if he wanted DeAndre to play there.

    Ok. So we had to make a move to put our cap situation under control and Memphis also decided to "use leverage" at that precise moment.

    Andre had a big deal. A deal like that attached to a vet like that can be moved to a contender, but only if the contender already has the rest of the pieces in place, and no contender was going to trade for Andre at that particular time (nor now, not at the amount he makes). So we traded with Memphis, a team that's run by people a bit more smart than the ones running the Knicks (just an example) and has used this offseason to acquire assets acting as a dumping ground for bad contracts and teams that need to get rid of salaries. For a price. That's not leverage. We contacted them, they wanted a first round pick in the deal.

    Again, that's not f*cking leverage. Leverage is what Kawhi and PG did to OKC. This is business.

    No. Just no. Not making $17 million. You want to get rid of that deal, you have to attach something. No contender would trade for him for that amount. No bad team will take on that contract for nothing.

    What toxic asset? So as soon as the trade is complete Lacob says we're retiring his jersey and he's a toxic asset? Get the f*ck outta here... Windhorst ever heard of cap management?

    Also, little dose of reality, if KD had decided to stay with us, Iggy would have stayed for one more year... Toxic my ass...

    Well, this part is true. At last, there's something true in this whole article. A pity he can't twist the cold, hard facts even more into something they ain't.

    The truth is we had to trade assets and cash to get a guy like Russel for KD, because the other option was to go through what Toronto is going now after losing Kawhi, which is finding yourself without a dominant guy and with nothing in return to show for him.

    Writing sh*t like this seems more like a lower ground to me, for a change...

    God, that rant felt good! :p:cool:
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  3. xbay

    xbay NBA 1st Team All Pro Staff Member

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    The Iguodala comment is funny because we’re likely to hear about the Thunder attach a pick with Chris Paul just to get rid of that nasty contract. That’s just the name of the game with guys who make that much at that age.

    Windy is a pro-LeBron writer.

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