2019 NBA Finals: Warriors vs Raptors

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Who will win?

  1. Warriors in 4

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  2. Warriors in 5

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  3. Warriors in 6

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  4. Warriors in 7

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  5. Raptors in 4

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  6. Raptors in 5

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  7. Raptors in 6

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  8. Raptors in 7

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  1. MadBallers

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    Well said as usual xbay! KD is a champion and a hero. He risked everything for this team and I am really sad it ended that way. You are absolutely right, no one is to blame, this is life, sometimes bad shit happens. When KD gets over the shock and sadness of this injury, he will give an interview saying just that. No one is to blame!
     
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    I don't think anybody can think otherwise. Bottom line is, if KD didn't want to play, he wouldn't have been out there. Period. That says everything anybody needs to know about him. It was probably rushed? Yeah, but he was cleared by several experts, and there was no more time to wait. So nobody should be blamed for it.

    Now, a few thoughts about the game once I'm done watching it:

    - Toronto choked. That's what happened. Being up by 6 with 3 minutes and barely being able to score a couple more points in the rest of the games, with a ring on the line, they choked and our guys didn't. If it happened yesterday, it can happen again.

    - Boogie was a psycho in the final minutes of the game, almost making us lose it with constant mistakes. Then again, he played great in the second quarter keeping us ahead when nobody was able to score on Toronto. Point is, with KD out, we REALLY need him to add something, to help Klay, Steph and Dray, because they alone can't carry this team vs Toronto. We have depth problems (no KD, Looney seems to have been reaggravated his injury, most of the bench is useless...) and Boogie is the dark horse. We need him to have two good games and help our guys or we're done. We've won both games in which he did well on offense, and lost every other one. That says all we need to know about the state of this team. Steph, Klay and Dray need help, at least one more guy that helps them on offense and keeps the defense from focusing only on our backcourt.

    - One thing we should try to fix is our rebounding, particularly on defense. We can't allow Toronto to get many second-chance points. That has a been a problem for a while, even more with KD and Looney out. If our shots ain't falling like in the last game, rebounding might be the deciding factor of the game.

    - Nobody understands Nick Nurse's timeout that killed Toronto's momentum. I've read that Lowry asked for that timeout, but still don't understand the reason. That probably made them lose the game, because they were scoring on us at will at the time.
     
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    Gonna need the klaymaker tonight
     
  5. Money

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    This is it! Another do or die!

    Do or do not. never try.

    So pumped after that Blues win last night! Please send some of the championship mojo to our Dubs!

    DO IT JAH!!!!
     
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    105 minutes till tip, lets do this, and get a huge win in the last game at Oracle.
     
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    The basketball gods hate us
     
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    You cannot turn over the basketball to a team like that and expect to win. You could blame it on a lot of things: turnovers, poor execution, poor transition defense, bad free throw shooting. We played sloppy and dangerous most of the way. You cannot do that unless you are the Far more superior talented team, and even then its dangerous...
    Sloppy and dangerous.... just not going to cut it any more.

    A couple of good pick setters would help Curry tremendously...
    Draymond played out of his mind down the stretch.
    Cousins made me cringe, every time the ball went to him, he became a black hole...
    Hope Klay is ok.
     
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    Torn ACL for Klay per Woj.

    This run took its toll and boy, did it hit hard the team hard.

    Great run, fellas. We’ll be talking about the grit of these 2014 to 2019 Warriors 10-20-50 years from now.
     
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    Well, we can't ask more from our guys.

    It's been a tremendous run, and one that takes its toll. It's been decades, since the Celtics in the 60s, since the last time one team made it to five consecutive finals. That's a huge amount of games over those five years, and our guys aren't getting any younger. Add to that that our bench, at least this year, has been anything but reliable and that some of our key guys have been banged up for most of our playoff run.

    It's been an incredible run and we gotta be real proud of our Dubs, because over this run they've made history, becoming one of the very best teams in NBA history, arguably the best, since the level of playing in the current NBA cannot be compared with the level during the 60s. Injuries killed this season, but nobody can take from our team what they've achieved over the last few years.

    And it's not over, although reloading is not gonna be easy, due to our cap situation (particularly if KD leaves... even if he doesn't, he's out for the whole next season).

    So, right now, it's time to appreciate what our guys have done for us and start getting ready for next season. Time for the front office to work and give Kerr the best possible roster for another title run. We're still gonna be contenders, after all.
     
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    Hubie Brown voted for Fred VanVleet as the series MVP... :D Love it.

    Nothing against that choice, VanVleet has played really well. But come on...

    Also, interesting how VanVleet came back from a horrible first two rounds. He was practically unplayable vs Philly, did better vs Milwaukee and has been great for them vs us. I just find it weird how these playoffs have developed for him.
     
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    My god, Klay ACL tear could also be out all next year...wth? I hate to say it, but this is the curse of leaving Oakland for SF, things will never be the same, and this 5 year run is certainly over l.
     
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    Klay will be back in time for the playoffs, but it's going to take some time to get back in playing shape. But he should be back between December (the most optimistic outcome) and February/March (most likely).

    With no KD and no Klay, it's almost tempting to tank next season in order to reload... :p:cool:
     
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    Great fucking season! The end results sucked, but the season was great. Great basketball and great drama. I was entertained, and that is what is most important.

    Thank you Dubs!

    Alright, time to get to work...
    - Hash out the KD thing. Is he staying or is his going? His choice, he just needs to let us know.
    - Hash out the Draymond contract. Is he going to be offered the max? Is he worth the max?
    - Hash out the Boogie thing. Can we keep him? Do you want to keep him? What do you offer him? We will probably need him for next season. It could be an entire regular season of the Steph and Boogie show. I think that would be worth watching.
    - The rest of the pieces. There are so many players to deal with. Livingston? Iggy? Etc.
     
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    Back in December from a torn ACL? That's 6 months from now. No way.

    But I was thinking about the tanking thing.. i don't think they'll do it, but it would be a cheap way to get a talented player to reload.
     
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    1- Yes, but it's up to him. I'd still offer him the max, even with the achilles injury, and let him decide the best spot for him. I guess the Knicks will make him a max contract offer in any case. Other teams might doubt more, but NY needs him to be relevant, and I don't think they mind tanking another season and another high pick. I don't know what's gonna happen, and I don't think anybody knows at this point.
    2- The Draymond that played in the playoffs? Definitely worth the max. The Draymond that started the season? Not even close. I'm leaning towards the first one being worth that extension.
    3- Boogie had a few good moments, but mostly he has been a disappointment. It's true that another year removed from his injury might help, but still... I don't know. I think the best move for him might be going to a bad team to have incredible numbers again and rework his value around the league, because this season hasn't helped him much.
    4- Livingston has to go. He had one great game in the playoffs, but he's not worth the $7 million he's going to make next year. Iggy... it's tricky. Because, with so many injuries, he's not gonna be able to only be the glue guy for a contender, and his contract is up after next season. I'd keep him, and if he remains in great shape (looks like it, as he really takes care of his body more than anybody else on the team), I'd try to sign him to a new one or two year deal after the season, let him play his role again for a contender once KD and Klay are back. Other than those guys, only Jacob Evans, Damian Jones and McKinnie are under contract next year. We really have to reload.

    One option would be to talk some kind of deal with Boston. They have three first rounders in this year's draft and are shopping at least one of them, because they don't want to have so many rookies on their roster. I'd try to trade a future first rounder (lottery-protected, that is) for one of their picks this year, and start adding some talent that way. Just an idea...
     
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    Yeah, well, that's why I said it was the most optimistic outcome. A realistic one is around 8-9 months, so February/March...

    I don't think it's going to be easy to sell the idea of tanking to Draymond and Steph, tho. Don't look to me like guys willing to lose in order to improve for the future.
     
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    What’s amazing when you read and hear all the narrative around ,,since this series ended
    Is that the warriors earned more respect and admiration from around the league in losing the title than the raptors did in winning it.
    I know it’s sports politically correct to not use injuries as an excuse or to diminish the opponents ultimate achievement because of it,
    But that is what pretty much what everybody outside of Toronto is saying . Even those who wanted the warriors to fail.

    The reason is for the most part it’s pure speculation
    But the world watched for 12 minutes when KD and the rest of the team were playing and it was
    Abundantly clear you were watching a true NBA champion team at work, it was painfully clear to raptors fans who saw their possible championship hopes evaporating like fingerprint glue ,while KD and team were working them. The raptors had no answer for him, none, zero.
    It explains the boorish behavior they expelled when KD went down, while seemingly embarrassed about that initial response, there was a secretly collective sigh of relief that their playoff hopes were still alive.
    The sacrifice and determination these warriors
    Showed the world even in a final losing cause earned a ton of respect from everybody even their detractors.
    Congrats to Toronto I won’t deny they are a good team
    The stars lined up favorably for them and they had the talent to take advantage of it.
    But I am more proud of this warriors organization than I’ve ever been previously.
    Warriors could not have been a more perfect name for this team this year.
     
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    Yea, you can't take away from the accomplishment of the Raptors, they earned it against who was in front of them.

    Deep down, we know what a healthy Warrior team would have done, but they weren't healthy, its how it goes. I think we are all proud of this team, they brought out that underdog Warrior spirit that we used to have. Oracle was as live as i have seen it in quite some time.
     

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